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- August 6, 2015 at 2:13 pm
Stage 1 melanoma on arm. Original slice biopsy .45 mm….had surgery….doc removed 2 cm most places, and when the tissue biopsy came back, results showed 1.2 mm depth. Doc now wants to do a sentinel node biopsy, and reopen the incision to remove some more tissue in the couple places she did not get the full 2 cm…….general anesthesia…which i don't deal well with…..I don't believe in chemo or radiation treatments…i have seen far too many people suffer terribly for a little extra time at just being alive…this is not how i want to handle my life……so not sure if there is an upside to having this surgery done, and see several downsides….need to get the doc's opinion on the odds…which is a guess….want to make a reasonable and logical decision…..any thoughts out there??
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- August 6, 2015 at 5:12 pm
So the standard excision size is 1cm margins, not 2cm margins for any lesion under 2mm. So if you have 1cm clear margins, then you are good.
What you don't know is if you are really stage I or stage III. The SNB provides that info. HOWEVER, the SNB is not generally considered accurate if done AFTER the wide excision. The drainage paths to the sentinel lymph node may be altered by the wide excision. So doing the SNB now may not give you the right results. You may find that the sentinel node found now is negative, but you can never be totally positive that the sentinel node found now is the same one that would have been found prior to the wide excision you have already had. You might consider asking about ultrasound monitoring of your lymph basin instead of the SNB. Ultrasound is non-invasive and if done periodically, may show tumor growth (if any were to happen).
Just a little info – melanoma does not respond well to radiation or chemo. Neither treatment is typically used for melanoma unless as a last resort. Melanoma works best with immunotherapy. This is where you stimulate the bodies own defenses to attack melanoma. There are lots of new treatments released in the last few years and more on the horizon. So if, in the worst case scenario, you were to progress to a different stage, do not dismiss treatments summarily. Immunotherapy has different side effects from chemo. Some tolerate it extremely well. It's a whole different treatment regimen. What you've seen others go through with chemo is not the same as you would experience with immunotherapy. Seeing a melanoma specialist would be key in this situation.
I do not handle anesthesia well either so I understand your reluctance. While the SNB would be indicated by the depth (1.2mm), again having it after the WLE has limited benefit. If it is positive, you know you are stage III. But if it were negative, you'll never know for certain that they got the right node to begin with.
Just my thoughts….
Janner
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- August 6, 2015 at 5:12 pm
So the standard excision size is 1cm margins, not 2cm margins for any lesion under 2mm. So if you have 1cm clear margins, then you are good.
What you don't know is if you are really stage I or stage III. The SNB provides that info. HOWEVER, the SNB is not generally considered accurate if done AFTER the wide excision. The drainage paths to the sentinel lymph node may be altered by the wide excision. So doing the SNB now may not give you the right results. You may find that the sentinel node found now is negative, but you can never be totally positive that the sentinel node found now is the same one that would have been found prior to the wide excision you have already had. You might consider asking about ultrasound monitoring of your lymph basin instead of the SNB. Ultrasound is non-invasive and if done periodically, may show tumor growth (if any were to happen).
Just a little info – melanoma does not respond well to radiation or chemo. Neither treatment is typically used for melanoma unless as a last resort. Melanoma works best with immunotherapy. This is where you stimulate the bodies own defenses to attack melanoma. There are lots of new treatments released in the last few years and more on the horizon. So if, in the worst case scenario, you were to progress to a different stage, do not dismiss treatments summarily. Immunotherapy has different side effects from chemo. Some tolerate it extremely well. It's a whole different treatment regimen. What you've seen others go through with chemo is not the same as you would experience with immunotherapy. Seeing a melanoma specialist would be key in this situation.
I do not handle anesthesia well either so I understand your reluctance. While the SNB would be indicated by the depth (1.2mm), again having it after the WLE has limited benefit. If it is positive, you know you are stage III. But if it were negative, you'll never know for certain that they got the right node to begin with.
Just my thoughts….
Janner
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- August 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm
I wanted to second what Janner said about the immunotherapy drugs. They don't work for everybody, but the side effects aren't that bad for most. Hopefully you won't need them, but definitely don't pass on them if you do. I did the treatment with Yervoy last winter, and throughout my only problems were an itchy rash that I had to take prednisone for, and being sick to my stomach for about 3 weeks following the last treatment.
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- August 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm
I wanted to second what Janner said about the immunotherapy drugs. They don't work for everybody, but the side effects aren't that bad for most. Hopefully you won't need them, but definitely don't pass on them if you do. I did the treatment with Yervoy last winter, and throughout my only problems were an itchy rash that I had to take prednisone for, and being sick to my stomach for about 3 weeks following the last treatment.
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- August 6, 2015 at 9:41 pm
I wanted to second what Janner said about the immunotherapy drugs. They don't work for everybody, but the side effects aren't that bad for most. Hopefully you won't need them, but definitely don't pass on them if you do. I did the treatment with Yervoy last winter, and throughout my only problems were an itchy rash that I had to take prednisone for, and being sick to my stomach for about 3 weeks following the last treatment.
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- September 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Thanks, Janner, for yours and all the other replies…..I did have the surgery, and the lymph nodes were clear. That was excellent news. Have some numb spots around the incision on the arm, and continued tenderness around the node incision, and the underarm between the shoulder and elbow, which I guess is to be expected.
All in all, doing great!! I really appreciate sites like this to help inform folks with similar issues.
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- September 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Thanks, Janner, for yours and all the other replies…..I did have the surgery, and the lymph nodes were clear. That was excellent news. Have some numb spots around the incision on the arm, and continued tenderness around the node incision, and the underarm between the shoulder and elbow, which I guess is to be expected.
All in all, doing great!! I really appreciate sites like this to help inform folks with similar issues.
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- September 13, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Thanks, Janner, for yours and all the other replies…..I did have the surgery, and the lymph nodes were clear. That was excellent news. Have some numb spots around the incision on the arm, and continued tenderness around the node incision, and the underarm between the shoulder and elbow, which I guess is to be expected.
All in all, doing great!! I really appreciate sites like this to help inform folks with similar issues.
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- August 6, 2015 at 5:12 pm
So the standard excision size is 1cm margins, not 2cm margins for any lesion under 2mm. So if you have 1cm clear margins, then you are good.
What you don't know is if you are really stage I or stage III. The SNB provides that info. HOWEVER, the SNB is not generally considered accurate if done AFTER the wide excision. The drainage paths to the sentinel lymph node may be altered by the wide excision. So doing the SNB now may not give you the right results. You may find that the sentinel node found now is negative, but you can never be totally positive that the sentinel node found now is the same one that would have been found prior to the wide excision you have already had. You might consider asking about ultrasound monitoring of your lymph basin instead of the SNB. Ultrasound is non-invasive and if done periodically, may show tumor growth (if any were to happen).
Just a little info – melanoma does not respond well to radiation or chemo. Neither treatment is typically used for melanoma unless as a last resort. Melanoma works best with immunotherapy. This is where you stimulate the bodies own defenses to attack melanoma. There are lots of new treatments released in the last few years and more on the horizon. So if, in the worst case scenario, you were to progress to a different stage, do not dismiss treatments summarily. Immunotherapy has different side effects from chemo. Some tolerate it extremely well. It's a whole different treatment regimen. What you've seen others go through with chemo is not the same as you would experience with immunotherapy. Seeing a melanoma specialist would be key in this situation.
I do not handle anesthesia well either so I understand your reluctance. While the SNB would be indicated by the depth (1.2mm), again having it after the WLE has limited benefit. If it is positive, you know you are stage III. But if it were negative, you'll never know for certain that they got the right node to begin with.
Just my thoughts….
Janner
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- August 7, 2015 at 1:52 am
This was exactly what happened to me except mine was found to be over 2mm with a high mitotic rate rather than 0.7mm.
I did have the SLNB 2 weeks after the WLE and it was negative. They did 1cm margins which were clear and never suggested doing additional surgery on the WLE.
Like others said, it doesn't feel as definitive as if I had been able to have the SLNB before the WLE, but no way to go back. At this time I am not being monitored by ultrasound but maybe it's a possibility in the future.
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- August 7, 2015 at 1:52 am
This was exactly what happened to me except mine was found to be over 2mm with a high mitotic rate rather than 0.7mm.
I did have the SLNB 2 weeks after the WLE and it was negative. They did 1cm margins which were clear and never suggested doing additional surgery on the WLE.
Like others said, it doesn't feel as definitive as if I had been able to have the SLNB before the WLE, but no way to go back. At this time I am not being monitored by ultrasound but maybe it's a possibility in the future.
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- August 7, 2015 at 1:52 am
This was exactly what happened to me except mine was found to be over 2mm with a high mitotic rate rather than 0.7mm.
I did have the SLNB 2 weeks after the WLE and it was negative. They did 1cm margins which were clear and never suggested doing additional surgery on the WLE.
Like others said, it doesn't feel as definitive as if I had been able to have the SLNB before the WLE, but no way to go back. At this time I am not being monitored by ultrasound but maybe it's a possibility in the future.
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- August 7, 2015 at 9:44 am
I'm sorry to hear that your original diagnosis – already scary enough – got worse after WLE. What a huge shock for you.
In Australia the guideline for a 1.2 mm melanoma would be a 1cm margin – at 2mm – 4mm it becomes a 2 cm margin. So, having 1cm clear margins would be enough for me unless my dr had a very convincing argument otherwise.
At the revised depth of 1.2mm a SLNB is recommended and does show a survival benefit. According to one source, SLNB is acceptable after WLE if extensive reconstruction has not been done:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/854424-overview
Given that SLNB is pretty minimally invasive and is recommended for melanomas like yours, I would do it. I would do it because once upon a time in the not too distant past, nothing could be done once melanoma started to spread, so why bother even finding out. Nowadays, we have some amazing science giving us treatment options that past melanoma patients could only dream of.
A SLNB provides is a much clearer picture of whether your melanoma has started to spread, and if it has you can nip it in the bud and can get into treatment that much quicker or change level of monitoring to suit. Like others have said, new melanoma therapies – which are to be honest pretty miraculous – cannot be compared to chemo or radiation. Good luck with this decision, the whole circumstance is not ideal but we just have to roll with the punches I guess.
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- August 7, 2015 at 1:35 pm
The SLNB does not show an overall survival benefit. Here's an article with a long discussion about the benefits and pitfalls.
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- August 7, 2015 at 11:29 pm
It's very confusing, I've read both. I guess I've just read more that err on the side of there being a survival benefit (not huge) for those with intermediate thickness mels. Isn't it funny how medicine changes – first complete lymph node dissections, now SLNBs, and now a debate even about them. Makes it difficult for patients when the science isn't clear one way or the other.
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- August 7, 2015 at 11:29 pm
It's very confusing, I've read both. I guess I've just read more that err on the side of there being a survival benefit (not huge) for those with intermediate thickness mels. Isn't it funny how medicine changes – first complete lymph node dissections, now SLNBs, and now a debate even about them. Makes it difficult for patients when the science isn't clear one way or the other.
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- August 7, 2015 at 11:29 pm
It's very confusing, I've read both. I guess I've just read more that err on the side of there being a survival benefit (not huge) for those with intermediate thickness mels. Isn't it funny how medicine changes – first complete lymph node dissections, now SLNBs, and now a debate even about them. Makes it difficult for patients when the science isn't clear one way or the other.
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- August 7, 2015 at 1:35 pm
The SLNB does not show an overall survival benefit. Here's an article with a long discussion about the benefits and pitfalls.
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- August 7, 2015 at 1:35 pm
The SLNB does not show an overall survival benefit. Here's an article with a long discussion about the benefits and pitfalls.
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- August 7, 2015 at 9:44 am
I'm sorry to hear that your original diagnosis – already scary enough – got worse after WLE. What a huge shock for you.
In Australia the guideline for a 1.2 mm melanoma would be a 1cm margin – at 2mm – 4mm it becomes a 2 cm margin. So, having 1cm clear margins would be enough for me unless my dr had a very convincing argument otherwise.
At the revised depth of 1.2mm a SLNB is recommended and does show a survival benefit. According to one source, SLNB is acceptable after WLE if extensive reconstruction has not been done:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/854424-overview
Given that SLNB is pretty minimally invasive and is recommended for melanomas like yours, I would do it. I would do it because once upon a time in the not too distant past, nothing could be done once melanoma started to spread, so why bother even finding out. Nowadays, we have some amazing science giving us treatment options that past melanoma patients could only dream of.
A SLNB provides is a much clearer picture of whether your melanoma has started to spread, and if it has you can nip it in the bud and can get into treatment that much quicker or change level of monitoring to suit. Like others have said, new melanoma therapies – which are to be honest pretty miraculous – cannot be compared to chemo or radiation. Good luck with this decision, the whole circumstance is not ideal but we just have to roll with the punches I guess.
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- August 7, 2015 at 9:44 am
I'm sorry to hear that your original diagnosis – already scary enough – got worse after WLE. What a huge shock for you.
In Australia the guideline for a 1.2 mm melanoma would be a 1cm margin – at 2mm – 4mm it becomes a 2 cm margin. So, having 1cm clear margins would be enough for me unless my dr had a very convincing argument otherwise.
At the revised depth of 1.2mm a SLNB is recommended and does show a survival benefit. According to one source, SLNB is acceptable after WLE if extensive reconstruction has not been done:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/854424-overview
Given that SLNB is pretty minimally invasive and is recommended for melanomas like yours, I would do it. I would do it because once upon a time in the not too distant past, nothing could be done once melanoma started to spread, so why bother even finding out. Nowadays, we have some amazing science giving us treatment options that past melanoma patients could only dream of.
A SLNB provides is a much clearer picture of whether your melanoma has started to spread, and if it has you can nip it in the bud and can get into treatment that much quicker or change level of monitoring to suit. Like others have said, new melanoma therapies – which are to be honest pretty miraculous – cannot be compared to chemo or radiation. Good luck with this decision, the whole circumstance is not ideal but we just have to roll with the punches I guess.
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- August 8, 2015 at 12:13 am
Could someone recap exactly what the treatment options are currently for Stage III? As far as I know, the best treatment options currently are reserved for Stage IV. It might help sweetiejs to know what would be available for Stage III and any statistics on those treatments in deciding whether to find out if their status is Stage I or III.
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- August 8, 2015 at 12:13 am
Could someone recap exactly what the treatment options are currently for Stage III? As far as I know, the best treatment options currently are reserved for Stage IV. It might help sweetiejs to know what would be available for Stage III and any statistics on those treatments in deciding whether to find out if their status is Stage I or III.
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- August 8, 2015 at 12:13 am
Could someone recap exactly what the treatment options are currently for Stage III? As far as I know, the best treatment options currently are reserved for Stage IV. It might help sweetiejs to know what would be available for Stage III and any statistics on those treatments in deciding whether to find out if their status is Stage I or III.
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