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    takkat
    Participant

      Hi,

        I am concerned with starting ipi because of the side effects.

      I am 51yrs old and in good overall health.

      In 2011 i found a melanoma on my right foot. The skin was removed and the margins were clear.

      At that time I had a chest and brain scan that came back clean. I also had sentinel node taken and clean as well.

      This January I had a ct scan, unrelated. It showed a spot. After six months I had a pet/ct and biopsy that confimed meanoma.

      The melonoma was removed with surgery Oct 1st, and the recent pet/ct scan is clean.

      The oncologist is recommending ipi even though I have  no signs of the disease.

      I realize the the melonoma will most likely be back, but the side effects seem high to me.

      I am thankfull for the treatment but I think it would be better to do the treatment with an actual tumor to treat. Am I wrong in thinking this way?

       Also the oncologist discussed some other drugs that had less side effects when taken in combination but did not want to use them because I did not have any tumors, and he would not know how long to treat.

      I am braf positive, if I said that correctly.

      I know that this treatment, for people in my shoes, is newly approved, so I would imagain that there is not alot of expeience with this. 

      Any help or advice is appreciated.

          Thank You

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        mkirkland
        Participant

          Wow! I actually just posted the same question about ipi! My melanoma was also on my right foot and I am a stage 3A. I would like to do something to try to prevent it from returning but at the same time is it worth the possible side effects.

          mkirkland
          Participant

            Wow! I actually just posted the same question about ipi! My melanoma was also on my right foot and I am a stage 3A. I would like to do something to try to prevent it from returning but at the same time is it worth the possible side effects.

            mkirkland
            Participant

              Wow! I actually just posted the same question about ipi! My melanoma was also on my right foot and I am a stage 3A. I would like to do something to try to prevent it from returning but at the same time is it worth the possible side effects.

                chrisholder
                Participant

                  And I just responded to mkirkland, so you may wish to check that thread, too, for further info on ipi and s. effects/dosage/effectiveness etc.

                  chrisholder
                  Participant

                    And I just responded to mkirkland, so you may wish to check that thread, too, for further info on ipi and s. effects/dosage/effectiveness etc.

                    chrisholder
                    Participant

                      And I just responded to mkirkland, so you may wish to check that thread, too, for further info on ipi and s. effects/dosage/effectiveness etc.

                    Bubbles
                    Participant

                      Selecting treatment in melanoma world is tricky.  You could be lucky and have very little more to do with melanoma in your life.  Then again, melanoma is a persistent beast and can come back to bite us…especially when you have progressed to positive lymph nodes, tumors in scattered organs, etc.  Side effects are a big deal for anyone, but even more of a consideration when you have no significant illness….is the benefit worth the risk?  That is a very personal question no matter your stage.  An important thing to remember about immunotherapy (which anti-PD1 and ipi are) is that we have learned that it is most effective when the tumor burden is the lowest possible. Here is a link….that contains several more links to other pertinent posts…with data and articles that address adjuvant ipi and anti-PD1 treatments for NED melanoma patients:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/11/two-new-fda-approvals-for-treatment-of.html

                      For my part, I participated in an NED arm of an anti-PD1 (Nivo/Opdivo) trial in 2010, for 2 1/2 years, after having brain and lung mets.  I was rendered NED with SRS to the brain and lung surgery.  However, 5 years later, I remain NED and most of my fellow ratties are doing equally well.  In other words….with a much better shelf life overall than other NED Stage IV peeps without that treatment.  Hope it helps.  Celeste

                       

                      Bubbles
                      Participant

                        Selecting treatment in melanoma world is tricky.  You could be lucky and have very little more to do with melanoma in your life.  Then again, melanoma is a persistent beast and can come back to bite us…especially when you have progressed to positive lymph nodes, tumors in scattered organs, etc.  Side effects are a big deal for anyone, but even more of a consideration when you have no significant illness….is the benefit worth the risk?  That is a very personal question no matter your stage.  An important thing to remember about immunotherapy (which anti-PD1 and ipi are) is that we have learned that it is most effective when the tumor burden is the lowest possible. Here is a link….that contains several more links to other pertinent posts…with data and articles that address adjuvant ipi and anti-PD1 treatments for NED melanoma patients:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/11/two-new-fda-approvals-for-treatment-of.html

                        For my part, I participated in an NED arm of an anti-PD1 (Nivo/Opdivo) trial in 2010, for 2 1/2 years, after having brain and lung mets.  I was rendered NED with SRS to the brain and lung surgery.  However, 5 years later, I remain NED and most of my fellow ratties are doing equally well.  In other words….with a much better shelf life overall than other NED Stage IV peeps without that treatment.  Hope it helps.  Celeste

                         

                        Bubbles
                        Participant

                          Selecting treatment in melanoma world is tricky.  You could be lucky and have very little more to do with melanoma in your life.  Then again, melanoma is a persistent beast and can come back to bite us…especially when you have progressed to positive lymph nodes, tumors in scattered organs, etc.  Side effects are a big deal for anyone, but even more of a consideration when you have no significant illness….is the benefit worth the risk?  That is a very personal question no matter your stage.  An important thing to remember about immunotherapy (which anti-PD1 and ipi are) is that we have learned that it is most effective when the tumor burden is the lowest possible. Here is a link….that contains several more links to other pertinent posts…with data and articles that address adjuvant ipi and anti-PD1 treatments for NED melanoma patients:  http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2015/11/two-new-fda-approvals-for-treatment-of.html

                          For my part, I participated in an NED arm of an anti-PD1 (Nivo/Opdivo) trial in 2010, for 2 1/2 years, after having brain and lung mets.  I was rendered NED with SRS to the brain and lung surgery.  However, 5 years later, I remain NED and most of my fellow ratties are doing equally well.  In other words….with a much better shelf life overall than other NED Stage IV peeps without that treatment.  Hope it helps.  Celeste

                           

                            takkat
                            Participant

                              Thanks.

                              I realize that I didn't say that the second melanoma was on my left lung.

                              The surgery  removed the tumor and the margins were clean.

                              If I stay on a schedule to be checked for any new signs of disease, it seems that the longest time between the start of a new tumor to being detected by ct or mri , would be 3 to six months.

                              Is this reasonable thinking?

                              As you can tell I am not looking forward to the ipi.  I can't go back undo any damage that could be done.

                              Thanks again

                               

                               

                               

                              takkat
                              Participant

                                Thanks.

                                I realize that I didn't say that the second melanoma was on my left lung.

                                The surgery  removed the tumor and the margins were clean.

                                If I stay on a schedule to be checked for any new signs of disease, it seems that the longest time between the start of a new tumor to being detected by ct or mri , would be 3 to six months.

                                Is this reasonable thinking?

                                As you can tell I am not looking forward to the ipi.  I can't go back undo any damage that could be done.

                                Thanks again

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                takkat
                                Participant

                                  Thanks.

                                  I realize that I didn't say that the second melanoma was on my left lung.

                                  The surgery  removed the tumor and the margins were clean.

                                  If I stay on a schedule to be checked for any new signs of disease, it seems that the longest time between the start of a new tumor to being detected by ct or mri , would be 3 to six months.

                                  Is this reasonable thinking?

                                  As you can tell I am not looking forward to the ipi.  I can't go back undo any damage that could be done.

                                  Thanks again

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  Bubbles
                                  Participant

                                    You thoughts ARE reasonable.  Some people are willing to watch and wait and stay vigilent.  Others are not.  I don't blame you for wishing to avoid ipi…or any other treatment for that matter.  It is all very personal.  There are no wrong answers…you just have to do what you think is best for you. I wish you well.  C

                                    Bubbles
                                    Participant

                                      You thoughts ARE reasonable.  Some people are willing to watch and wait and stay vigilent.  Others are not.  I don't blame you for wishing to avoid ipi…or any other treatment for that matter.  It is all very personal.  There are no wrong answers…you just have to do what you think is best for you. I wish you well.  C

                                      Bubbles
                                      Participant

                                        You thoughts ARE reasonable.  Some people are willing to watch and wait and stay vigilent.  Others are not.  I don't blame you for wishing to avoid ipi…or any other treatment for that matter.  It is all very personal.  There are no wrong answers…you just have to do what you think is best for you. I wish you well.  C

                                        chrisholder
                                        Participant

                                          Celeste,  As one who is quite new to disease (mucosal m. diagnosed in May, this year) and the treatments (first ipi/nivo, then bad s. effects, recovery, and now Pembro since Sept), I want to thank you and your fellow peeps for participating in the trials back in 2010 – you and your fellow ratties have made a great contribution to pushig this research along!  Further, it's wonderful to hear that 5 years out you and so many of the orig. group are still NED – so hopeful!   Chris

                                          chrisholder
                                          Participant

                                            Celeste,  As one who is quite new to disease (mucosal m. diagnosed in May, this year) and the treatments (first ipi/nivo, then bad s. effects, recovery, and now Pembro since Sept), I want to thank you and your fellow peeps for participating in the trials back in 2010 – you and your fellow ratties have made a great contribution to pushig this research along!  Further, it's wonderful to hear that 5 years out you and so many of the orig. group are still NED – so hopeful!   Chris

                                            chrisholder
                                            Participant

                                              Celeste,  As one who is quite new to disease (mucosal m. diagnosed in May, this year) and the treatments (first ipi/nivo, then bad s. effects, recovery, and now Pembro since Sept), I want to thank you and your fellow peeps for participating in the trials back in 2010 – you and your fellow ratties have made a great contribution to pushig this research along!  Further, it's wonderful to hear that 5 years out you and so many of the orig. group are still NED – so hopeful!   Chris

                                            arthurjedi007
                                            Participant

                                              There has been a few posts on this. If I remember correctly dr Luke at the university of Chicago for that person basically said why risk a med for something that might never come back. But that was for that person who may have a much lower risk of recurrence,

                                              If it does recur then the med of choice at that time can be used. For example either keytruda or opdivo pd1 might be an option by then. Although all meds have risk they are lower risk than ipi especially since stage 3 ipi is over 3 times the dose of stage 4 ipi. Kind of odd dosing in my opinion but what do i know.

                                              But then on the flip side what if it does recur and isn't caught until it's much worse. Very difficult decision for you to make.

                                              Artie

                                              arthurjedi007
                                              Participant

                                                There has been a few posts on this. If I remember correctly dr Luke at the university of Chicago for that person basically said why risk a med for something that might never come back. But that was for that person who may have a much lower risk of recurrence,

                                                If it does recur then the med of choice at that time can be used. For example either keytruda or opdivo pd1 might be an option by then. Although all meds have risk they are lower risk than ipi especially since stage 3 ipi is over 3 times the dose of stage 4 ipi. Kind of odd dosing in my opinion but what do i know.

                                                But then on the flip side what if it does recur and isn't caught until it's much worse. Very difficult decision for you to make.

                                                Artie

                                                arthurjedi007
                                                Participant

                                                  There has been a few posts on this. If I remember correctly dr Luke at the university of Chicago for that person basically said why risk a med for something that might never come back. But that was for that person who may have a much lower risk of recurrence,

                                                  If it does recur then the med of choice at that time can be used. For example either keytruda or opdivo pd1 might be an option by then. Although all meds have risk they are lower risk than ipi especially since stage 3 ipi is over 3 times the dose of stage 4 ipi. Kind of odd dosing in my opinion but what do i know.

                                                  But then on the flip side what if it does recur and isn't caught until it's much worse. Very difficult decision for you to make.

                                                  Artie

                                                  Squash
                                                  Participant

                                                    I would get a circulatiing tonour cell test done if i was stage 111 and considering further treatment.

                                                    A CTC test will tell you the likelihood of you becoming a stage 4 patient in which case treatment maybe a better option that wait and see.

                                                     

                                                    Squash
                                                    Participant

                                                      I would get a circulatiing tonour cell test done if i was stage 111 and considering further treatment.

                                                      A CTC test will tell you the likelihood of you becoming a stage 4 patient in which case treatment maybe a better option that wait and see.

                                                       

                                                      Squash
                                                      Participant

                                                        I would get a circulatiing tonour cell test done if i was stage 111 and considering further treatment.

                                                        A CTC test will tell you the likelihood of you becoming a stage 4 patient in which case treatment maybe a better option that wait and see.

                                                         

                                                          ed williams
                                                          Participant

                                                            Where did you get the data on this CTC test?

                                                            Squash
                                                            Participant

                                                              I fot mine CTC test done in Germany. I got the one called Maintrac. I think in the US they have similar tests.

                                                              Mine unfortunately very accurately predicted metastases 6 months before i was.

                                                               

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Squash
                                                              Participant

                                                                I fot mine CTC test done in Germany. I got the one called Maintrac. I think in the US they have similar tests.

                                                                Mine unfortunately very accurately predicted metastases 6 months before i was.

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                 

                                                                Squash
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I fot mine CTC test done in Germany. I got the one called Maintrac. I think in the US they have similar tests.

                                                                  Mine unfortunately very accurately predicted metastases 6 months before i was.

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                   

                                                                  ed williams
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Where did you get the data on this CTC test?

                                                                    ed williams
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Where did you get the data on this CTC test?

                                                                    Gene_S
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      My husband was  a Stage IIIb at his initial diagnosis in Jan 2008 and after several surgeries advanced to Stage IV with a unresectable tumor pressing on the spine at C1-2 area, liver mets, lung mets and 4 or 5 sub q's in Oct. 2010.  He began the IPI 10mg/kg in Mar. 2011.  He had the original 4 doses every 3 weeks for 12 weeks and then went into the maintenance phase of once every 12 weeks.  He was also given GMCSF daily self injections 14 days on 7 days off for the full time.  We literally watched the sub q's disappear as we took pictures every 3 weeks just before his IPI infusions.

                                                                      He had some side effects but mostly minor and easy to handle.  He remained on the IPI and GMCSF until Dec. 2013 when he went off and is just followed by  his onc.  He has been 3 years NED.  If you would like to read more about him you can read his profile.

                                                                      Judy (loving wife to Gene Stage IV and now NED for over 3 years.)

                                                                       

                                                                      Gene_S
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        My husband was  a Stage IIIb at his initial diagnosis in Jan 2008 and after several surgeries advanced to Stage IV with a unresectable tumor pressing on the spine at C1-2 area, liver mets, lung mets and 4 or 5 sub q's in Oct. 2010.  He began the IPI 10mg/kg in Mar. 2011.  He had the original 4 doses every 3 weeks for 12 weeks and then went into the maintenance phase of once every 12 weeks.  He was also given GMCSF daily self injections 14 days on 7 days off for the full time.  We literally watched the sub q's disappear as we took pictures every 3 weeks just before his IPI infusions.

                                                                        He had some side effects but mostly minor and easy to handle.  He remained on the IPI and GMCSF until Dec. 2013 when he went off and is just followed by  his onc.  He has been 3 years NED.  If you would like to read more about him you can read his profile.

                                                                        Judy (loving wife to Gene Stage IV and now NED for over 3 years.)

                                                                         

                                                                        Gene_S
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          My husband was  a Stage IIIb at his initial diagnosis in Jan 2008 and after several surgeries advanced to Stage IV with a unresectable tumor pressing on the spine at C1-2 area, liver mets, lung mets and 4 or 5 sub q's in Oct. 2010.  He began the IPI 10mg/kg in Mar. 2011.  He had the original 4 doses every 3 weeks for 12 weeks and then went into the maintenance phase of once every 12 weeks.  He was also given GMCSF daily self injections 14 days on 7 days off for the full time.  We literally watched the sub q's disappear as we took pictures every 3 weeks just before his IPI infusions.

                                                                          He had some side effects but mostly minor and easy to handle.  He remained on the IPI and GMCSF until Dec. 2013 when he went off and is just followed by  his onc.  He has been 3 years NED.  If you would like to read more about him you can read his profile.

                                                                          Judy (loving wife to Gene Stage IV and now NED for over 3 years.)

                                                                           

                                                                          DZnDef
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Hi Takat,

                                                                            I can appreciate your concerns in avoiding Ipi.  I have been avoiding it myself and I am stage IV with lung mets.  My tumor burden remains low (last I checked).  The response rate for Ipi is somewhere around 20-25%.   With my luck, I always assumed I'd be in the 75% group (all the side effects and none of the benefit).  There's currently no way to know whether you will respond or not.  If you are a responder, you would likely respond with a couple of tumors down the road as well as you would now.  If you are not a responder, then there is no benefit to doing it earlier.  As long as you are being monitored regularly, you would likely become aware of any tumors while you still had a low tumor burden.  But maybe not.  It is a tricky beast.  Inform yourself of the risks and benefits and do what feels right for you.  Good luck to you!

                                                                            DZnDef
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Hi Takat,

                                                                              I can appreciate your concerns in avoiding Ipi.  I have been avoiding it myself and I am stage IV with lung mets.  My tumor burden remains low (last I checked).  The response rate for Ipi is somewhere around 20-25%.   With my luck, I always assumed I'd be in the 75% group (all the side effects and none of the benefit).  There's currently no way to know whether you will respond or not.  If you are a responder, you would likely respond with a couple of tumors down the road as well as you would now.  If you are not a responder, then there is no benefit to doing it earlier.  As long as you are being monitored regularly, you would likely become aware of any tumors while you still had a low tumor burden.  But maybe not.  It is a tricky beast.  Inform yourself of the risks and benefits and do what feels right for you.  Good luck to you!

                                                                                Marianne quinn
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Just got my husbands CAT scan results. NED for 18 months. Over 2 years after diagnosis. He had 10 mg ipi for four doses. He had what appeared to be a small liver mets after the induction infusions. He had microwave ablation surgery and no further mets or immunotherapy. We know the ipi worked. The side effects were manageable . I am glad he did it. It seems that there was mets in his body even though he was.NED after surgery and a lymphendectomy. He was originally diagnosed as 3c. Good luck to you. 

                                                                                  Marianne quinn
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Just got my husbands CAT scan results. NED for 18 months. Over 2 years after diagnosis. He had 10 mg ipi for four doses. He had what appeared to be a small liver mets after the induction infusions. He had microwave ablation surgery and no further mets or immunotherapy. We know the ipi worked. The side effects were manageable . I am glad he did it. It seems that there was mets in his body even though he was.NED after surgery and a lymphendectomy. He was originally diagnosed as 3c. Good luck to you. 

                                                                                    Marianne quinn
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Just got my husbands CAT scan results. NED for 18 months. Over 2 years after diagnosis. He had 10 mg ipi for four doses. He had what appeared to be a small liver mets after the induction infusions. He had microwave ablation surgery and no further mets or immunotherapy. We know the ipi worked. The side effects were manageable . I am glad he did it. It seems that there was mets in his body even though he was.NED after surgery and a lymphendectomy. He was originally diagnosed as 3c. Good luck to you. 

                                                                                    DZnDef
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Hi Takat,

                                                                                      I can appreciate your concerns in avoiding Ipi.  I have been avoiding it myself and I am stage IV with lung mets.  My tumor burden remains low (last I checked).  The response rate for Ipi is somewhere around 20-25%.   With my luck, I always assumed I'd be in the 75% group (all the side effects and none of the benefit).  There's currently no way to know whether you will respond or not.  If you are a responder, you would likely respond with a couple of tumors down the road as well as you would now.  If you are not a responder, then there is no benefit to doing it earlier.  As long as you are being monitored regularly, you would likely become aware of any tumors while you still had a low tumor burden.  But maybe not.  It is a tricky beast.  Inform yourself of the risks and benefits and do what feels right for you.  Good luck to you!

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