› Forums › General Melanoma Community › Understanding pathology
- This topic has 12 replies, 4 voices, and was last updated 8 years, 8 months ago by
cancersnewnormal.
- Post
-
- October 1, 2016 at 2:48 pm
About 2 years ago I noticed a pink/brownish bump on my thigh. It was a small perfect circle. I suffer from ocd and health anxiety so I was constantly poking and prodding at it. At one point the top got some flaky skin on it. It never grew and the flaky skin was the only issue. After looking at thing for 8 months I asked it be removed and the doctor said it looked fine but he would remove it. It was 4mm and he did a shave biopsy.
I was told I needed to return to have it excised and was told it was an atypical traumatized spitz Nevus/ differential diagnosis of benign spitz. The shave apparently got the entire mole because the excision was completely clear.
I am 34 years old and started researching spitz Nevus and started getting anxiety that it might have been melanoma that they missed. Spoke to my derm and he put me in touch with the dermatopathologist. He is university of penn trained and worked under bernard akerman. He went to great lengths to explain what he saw in my spitz and he said in his trained eyes it was a traumatized spitz Nevus and when I explained that I had been picking at it the doctor said then tgat explains the changes I saw ! Then tried to explain trauma in a mole. The dermatipathologist said we removed it with clear margins and that is the standard of care. He said in an adult a diagnosis of a complete benign spitz Nevus can never be made because they have atypical features. He said get my yearly check ups and that the likely hood that this tiny lesion ever haunts me is almost non existant.
For those who understahd this stuff it sounds like the only concern he had was the trauma of the spitz and the rest met the criteria for a benign spitz. Is it reasonable to relax and put this behind me and why is the trauma significant ?
- Replies
-
-
- October 1, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Hi,
Yes put this behind you but get anything suspicious checked out.
Trauma might produce skin changes similar to ulceration , which in turn is indicative of changing or evolving moles. So he could spot that the skin had been disrupted. I would take his advice and move on
Best wishes
Deb
-
- October 1, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Hi,
Yes put this behind you but get anything suspicious checked out.
Trauma might produce skin changes similar to ulceration , which in turn is indicative of changing or evolving moles. So he could spot that the skin had been disrupted. I would take his advice and move on
Best wishes
Deb
-
- October 1, 2016 at 5:28 pm
Thank you Deb, one more question if you don't mind. At the time both my dernatologist and the dermatopathologist were very happy that the second biopsy had completely clear margins. even if the small probability that this was a misdiagnosed spitz and this was a melanoma does having clear margins mean anything ? I'm reading a bunch of stories about people with clear margins that ended up having their cancer return? Or is this a rare occurrence ?
-
- October 1, 2016 at 5:28 pm
Thank you Deb, one more question if you don't mind. At the time both my dernatologist and the dermatopathologist were very happy that the second biopsy had completely clear margins. even if the small probability that this was a misdiagnosed spitz and this was a melanoma does having clear margins mean anything ? I'm reading a bunch of stories about people with clear margins that ended up having their cancer return? Or is this a rare occurrence ?
-
- October 2, 2016 at 6:38 am
Can I be honest? I mean no offence, but you are the 'worried well' posting on a board for people who have legit been diagnosed with melanoma from early through to late stages. This is not a place for healthy people with health anxiety. You've got the all clear and then the all, all clear. Nothing more can be done to ease your mind. If it's not at ease now it never will be. Go out and live your life or perhaps find a place to discuss health anxiety because honestly, your worries seem totally unfounded in reality.
-
- October 2, 2016 at 6:38 am
Can I be honest? I mean no offence, but you are the 'worried well' posting on a board for people who have legit been diagnosed with melanoma from early through to late stages. This is not a place for healthy people with health anxiety. You've got the all clear and then the all, all clear. Nothing more can be done to ease your mind. If it's not at ease now it never will be. Go out and live your life or perhaps find a place to discuss health anxiety because honestly, your worries seem totally unfounded in reality.
-
- October 2, 2016 at 6:38 am
Can I be honest? I mean no offence, but you are the 'worried well' posting on a board for people who have legit been diagnosed with melanoma from early through to late stages. This is not a place for healthy people with health anxiety. You've got the all clear and then the all, all clear. Nothing more can be done to ease your mind. If it's not at ease now it never will be. Go out and live your life or perhaps find a place to discuss health anxiety because honestly, your worries seem totally unfounded in reality.
-
- October 3, 2016 at 1:57 pm
Even if it were a misdiagnosis, the clear margins would make metastasis a very unusual situation. The most likely reason that you would be reading a bunch of stories like mine/ours (clear margins with a return), is because we are here more regularly. The majority of folks with a low stage diagnosis that was resected with clear margins, are not going to be milling around and posting. It's unfortunate, but those of us here at Stage IV metastasis and posting are in the unlucky 2-5%. I can assure you, that after my initial diagnosis… stage 1a superficial spreading, I was nowhere near melanoma forums. For 5 years, I lived as if I'd never heard the word that so left me boggled and speechless in the surgeon's office… cancer.
Additionally, many of us have "more to the story" than what you will read in a single post. My eventual "stage 1a" was first removed 10 years prior, in a doc's office, when it was simply something "suspicious looking". The pathology came back clear. The second time it returned, I thought nothing of it, simply because it only "looked weird", because it had followed the scar tissue lines of the initial removal. A punch biopsy showed clear pathology, but my doc wanted me to see a surgeon "just in case" and have it removed. The surgeon's first removal job was based upon the pathology of the punch biopsy. He thought he was removing a potentially pre-cancerous nothing. THAT pathology report showed the melanoma… and not with the clear margins, because he assumed there was plenty of surrounding skin taken from this "potentially pre-cancerous" spot. It was the follow up surgery, 2 weeks later, that then showed we had clear margins. That time, the surgeon had taken everything down to the muscle layer, to ensure he cleared the area. Having spoken to other patients in this rare 2-5% with metastasis following clear margins, I find that many of us had the same issue with an initial cut not getting it all. I have to wonder if those "botched" first surgeries weren't the cause of spread into the bloodstream, before the follow up surgery was done a few weeks to a few months later, to get clear margins. Your shave biopsy showed clean pathology. I believe it was a great idea to follow up with a complete removal anyway. Your doc was on top of things in doing that. When a spot that showed up clean once, then showed up clean with clear margins, you got the double "THANK GOODNESS!" that you can rely on.
Be diligent with sunscreen and staying in the shade. Follow up with your dermatologist once or twice a year. Watch your body and take photos of any "odd spots" you are concerned with…. compare them to photos you take at a later time. Most importantly, go out and live without worry. If this stage IV diagnosis has taught me one thing, it is to control only that which you can……… your response to the situation. Wear your seatbelt in the car, get your annual physical, don't text and drive, don't go into the ghetto wearing high dollar jewelry at 2 am. Be wise with risky choices, but no matter what happens, you will deal with any "bad" (car accident, lightning strike, fall from a curb, frost bite… ANYTHING) if/when you have to deal with it. You can't control anything or anyone. You can only control your choice of response.
-
- October 3, 2016 at 1:57 pm
Even if it were a misdiagnosis, the clear margins would make metastasis a very unusual situation. The most likely reason that you would be reading a bunch of stories like mine/ours (clear margins with a return), is because we are here more regularly. The majority of folks with a low stage diagnosis that was resected with clear margins, are not going to be milling around and posting. It's unfortunate, but those of us here at Stage IV metastasis and posting are in the unlucky 2-5%. I can assure you, that after my initial diagnosis… stage 1a superficial spreading, I was nowhere near melanoma forums. For 5 years, I lived as if I'd never heard the word that so left me boggled and speechless in the surgeon's office… cancer.
Additionally, many of us have "more to the story" than what you will read in a single post. My eventual "stage 1a" was first removed 10 years prior, in a doc's office, when it was simply something "suspicious looking". The pathology came back clear. The second time it returned, I thought nothing of it, simply because it only "looked weird", because it had followed the scar tissue lines of the initial removal. A punch biopsy showed clear pathology, but my doc wanted me to see a surgeon "just in case" and have it removed. The surgeon's first removal job was based upon the pathology of the punch biopsy. He thought he was removing a potentially pre-cancerous nothing. THAT pathology report showed the melanoma… and not with the clear margins, because he assumed there was plenty of surrounding skin taken from this "potentially pre-cancerous" spot. It was the follow up surgery, 2 weeks later, that then showed we had clear margins. That time, the surgeon had taken everything down to the muscle layer, to ensure he cleared the area. Having spoken to other patients in this rare 2-5% with metastasis following clear margins, I find that many of us had the same issue with an initial cut not getting it all. I have to wonder if those "botched" first surgeries weren't the cause of spread into the bloodstream, before the follow up surgery was done a few weeks to a few months later, to get clear margins. Your shave biopsy showed clean pathology. I believe it was a great idea to follow up with a complete removal anyway. Your doc was on top of things in doing that. When a spot that showed up clean once, then showed up clean with clear margins, you got the double "THANK GOODNESS!" that you can rely on.
Be diligent with sunscreen and staying in the shade. Follow up with your dermatologist once or twice a year. Watch your body and take photos of any "odd spots" you are concerned with…. compare them to photos you take at a later time. Most importantly, go out and live without worry. If this stage IV diagnosis has taught me one thing, it is to control only that which you can……… your response to the situation. Wear your seatbelt in the car, get your annual physical, don't text and drive, don't go into the ghetto wearing high dollar jewelry at 2 am. Be wise with risky choices, but no matter what happens, you will deal with any "bad" (car accident, lightning strike, fall from a curb, frost bite… ANYTHING) if/when you have to deal with it. You can't control anything or anyone. You can only control your choice of response.
-
- October 3, 2016 at 1:57 pm
Even if it were a misdiagnosis, the clear margins would make metastasis a very unusual situation. The most likely reason that you would be reading a bunch of stories like mine/ours (clear margins with a return), is because we are here more regularly. The majority of folks with a low stage diagnosis that was resected with clear margins, are not going to be milling around and posting. It's unfortunate, but those of us here at Stage IV metastasis and posting are in the unlucky 2-5%. I can assure you, that after my initial diagnosis… stage 1a superficial spreading, I was nowhere near melanoma forums. For 5 years, I lived as if I'd never heard the word that so left me boggled and speechless in the surgeon's office… cancer.
Additionally, many of us have "more to the story" than what you will read in a single post. My eventual "stage 1a" was first removed 10 years prior, in a doc's office, when it was simply something "suspicious looking". The pathology came back clear. The second time it returned, I thought nothing of it, simply because it only "looked weird", because it had followed the scar tissue lines of the initial removal. A punch biopsy showed clear pathology, but my doc wanted me to see a surgeon "just in case" and have it removed. The surgeon's first removal job was based upon the pathology of the punch biopsy. He thought he was removing a potentially pre-cancerous nothing. THAT pathology report showed the melanoma… and not with the clear margins, because he assumed there was plenty of surrounding skin taken from this "potentially pre-cancerous" spot. It was the follow up surgery, 2 weeks later, that then showed we had clear margins. That time, the surgeon had taken everything down to the muscle layer, to ensure he cleared the area. Having spoken to other patients in this rare 2-5% with metastasis following clear margins, I find that many of us had the same issue with an initial cut not getting it all. I have to wonder if those "botched" first surgeries weren't the cause of spread into the bloodstream, before the follow up surgery was done a few weeks to a few months later, to get clear margins. Your shave biopsy showed clean pathology. I believe it was a great idea to follow up with a complete removal anyway. Your doc was on top of things in doing that. When a spot that showed up clean once, then showed up clean with clear margins, you got the double "THANK GOODNESS!" that you can rely on.
Be diligent with sunscreen and staying in the shade. Follow up with your dermatologist once or twice a year. Watch your body and take photos of any "odd spots" you are concerned with…. compare them to photos you take at a later time. Most importantly, go out and live without worry. If this stage IV diagnosis has taught me one thing, it is to control only that which you can……… your response to the situation. Wear your seatbelt in the car, get your annual physical, don't text and drive, don't go into the ghetto wearing high dollar jewelry at 2 am. Be wise with risky choices, but no matter what happens, you will deal with any "bad" (car accident, lightning strike, fall from a curb, frost bite… ANYTHING) if/when you have to deal with it. You can't control anything or anyone. You can only control your choice of response.
-
- October 1, 2016 at 5:28 pm
Thank you Deb, one more question if you don't mind. At the time both my dernatologist and the dermatopathologist were very happy that the second biopsy had completely clear margins. even if the small probability that this was a misdiagnosed spitz and this was a melanoma does having clear margins mean anything ? I'm reading a bunch of stories about people with clear margins that ended up having their cancer return? Or is this a rare occurrence ?
-
- October 1, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Hi,
Yes put this behind you but get anything suspicious checked out.
Trauma might produce skin changes similar to ulceration , which in turn is indicative of changing or evolving moles. So he could spot that the skin had been disrupted. I would take his advice and move on
Best wishes
Deb
-
Tagged: cutaneous melanoma
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.