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Advice needed on adjuvant choices

Forums General Melanoma Community Advice needed on adjuvant choices

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    SOLE
    Participant

      In Canada, we are unfortunately behind what the FDA approves and thus I am faced with impossible choices in my view. As a reminder I am Stage 3b with "rare isolated cells" found in one node.

      1) Interferon

      2) CLND and access to 2 clinical trials: interferon-pembro or placebo-nivo (I think…)

      3) Watch and wait

      Am looking for your wisdom please.

       

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        youngann
        Participant

          Hello SOLE.

          Tough choice but, if it was mine to make, I'd go with CLND and clinical trial.

          1) Interferon – from all that I've read, this just isn't really a good option for anyone. You basically feel like absolute crap for a year in the hopes of possibly extending the time to recurrence by a year.

          2) CLND and clinical trials – of the three choices, I think this one's the better option. However, if you get into the Interferon or the placebo arm, then you haven't really gained anything.

          3) Watch and wait – For some reason, this wording just makes me uncomfortable. What are we waiting for? Stage IV?  No thanks, I want to do everything I can to NOT reach stage IV. I'd feel a bit better about it if the doctors said "wait and see" instead "watch and wait". At least then, I'd feel like we were waiting to see IF it advanced.

          Please know that these are just my personal feelings. The bottom line is that you have to go with whichever choice you feel most comfortable with.

          Good luck,

          Ann

          youngann
          Participant

            Hello SOLE.

            Tough choice but, if it was mine to make, I'd go with CLND and clinical trial.

            1) Interferon – from all that I've read, this just isn't really a good option for anyone. You basically feel like absolute crap for a year in the hopes of possibly extending the time to recurrence by a year.

            2) CLND and clinical trials – of the three choices, I think this one's the better option. However, if you get into the Interferon or the placebo arm, then you haven't really gained anything.

            3) Watch and wait – For some reason, this wording just makes me uncomfortable. What are we waiting for? Stage IV?  No thanks, I want to do everything I can to NOT reach stage IV. I'd feel a bit better about it if the doctors said "wait and see" instead "watch and wait". At least then, I'd feel like we were waiting to see IF it advanced.

            Please know that these are just my personal feelings. The bottom line is that you have to go with whichever choice you feel most comfortable with.

            Good luck,

            Ann

              ed williams
              Participant

                Just to add one little point to what Ann talked about, there is no guarantee that you will get into the trial. Trials have limited # 's of spaces and they tend to fill up quickly. On the other hand with Melanoma in the last couple of years there has been a lot of new advances, with many new clinical trials being run at various locations. You might have to travel to get the one you want. Best Wishes!!!ED

                ed williams
                Participant

                  Just to add one little point to what Ann talked about, there is no guarantee that you will get into the trial. Trials have limited # 's of spaces and they tend to fill up quickly. On the other hand with Melanoma in the last couple of years there has been a lot of new advances, with many new clinical trials being run at various locations. You might have to travel to get the one you want. Best Wishes!!!ED

                  ed williams
                  Participant

                    Just to add one little point to what Ann talked about, there is no guarantee that you will get into the trial. Trials have limited # 's of spaces and they tend to fill up quickly. On the other hand with Melanoma in the last couple of years there has been a lot of new advances, with many new clinical trials being run at various locations. You might have to travel to get the one you want. Best Wishes!!!ED

                  youngann
                  Participant

                    Hello SOLE.

                    Tough choice but, if it was mine to make, I'd go with CLND and clinical trial.

                    1) Interferon – from all that I've read, this just isn't really a good option for anyone. You basically feel like absolute crap for a year in the hopes of possibly extending the time to recurrence by a year.

                    2) CLND and clinical trials – of the three choices, I think this one's the better option. However, if you get into the Interferon or the placebo arm, then you haven't really gained anything.

                    3) Watch and wait – For some reason, this wording just makes me uncomfortable. What are we waiting for? Stage IV?  No thanks, I want to do everything I can to NOT reach stage IV. I'd feel a bit better about it if the doctors said "wait and see" instead "watch and wait". At least then, I'd feel like we were waiting to see IF it advanced.

                    Please know that these are just my personal feelings. The bottom line is that you have to go with whichever choice you feel most comfortable with.

                    Good luck,

                    Ann

                    WithinMySkin
                    Participant

                      Hi Sole. I'm so sorry you're at this incredibly hard decision. This was mentally the hardest part of my treatment plan, and my heart goes out to you.

                      Many people in the US at stage 3 have the same choices as you. Even though Ipi is FDA approved, many institutions are not giving it to their stage 3 patients due to the side effect profile. So please don't feel as though you aren't getting the best treatment possible. If you aren't comfortable with your doctor's mannor and attitude, however, that's a whole different problem – and I highly suggest you find a team you feel comfortable with. Your health care team becomes your guide through some seriously tough times, so make sure you trust them.

                      As for your treatment choices, no one here can say what's best for you. As Ann said, YOU have to make this choice for yourself. Do your research and sleep on the decision. I've had both a CLND and been on PEG interferon, so if you'd like to see scar pictures and side effects, I've got lots of info on my blog. But do what will help you sleep at night. This is your journey. Look inside and do what's best for you.

                      Wishing you all the best,

                      Lauren

                      WithinMySkin
                      Participant

                        Hi Sole. I'm so sorry you're at this incredibly hard decision. This was mentally the hardest part of my treatment plan, and my heart goes out to you.

                        Many people in the US at stage 3 have the same choices as you. Even though Ipi is FDA approved, many institutions are not giving it to their stage 3 patients due to the side effect profile. So please don't feel as though you aren't getting the best treatment possible. If you aren't comfortable with your doctor's mannor and attitude, however, that's a whole different problem – and I highly suggest you find a team you feel comfortable with. Your health care team becomes your guide through some seriously tough times, so make sure you trust them.

                        As for your treatment choices, no one here can say what's best for you. As Ann said, YOU have to make this choice for yourself. Do your research and sleep on the decision. I've had both a CLND and been on PEG interferon, so if you'd like to see scar pictures and side effects, I've got lots of info on my blog. But do what will help you sleep at night. This is your journey. Look inside and do what's best for you.

                        Wishing you all the best,

                        Lauren

                        WithinMySkin
                        Participant

                          Hi Sole. I'm so sorry you're at this incredibly hard decision. This was mentally the hardest part of my treatment plan, and my heart goes out to you.

                          Many people in the US at stage 3 have the same choices as you. Even though Ipi is FDA approved, many institutions are not giving it to their stage 3 patients due to the side effect profile. So please don't feel as though you aren't getting the best treatment possible. If you aren't comfortable with your doctor's mannor and attitude, however, that's a whole different problem – and I highly suggest you find a team you feel comfortable with. Your health care team becomes your guide through some seriously tough times, so make sure you trust them.

                          As for your treatment choices, no one here can say what's best for you. As Ann said, YOU have to make this choice for yourself. Do your research and sleep on the decision. I've had both a CLND and been on PEG interferon, so if you'd like to see scar pictures and side effects, I've got lots of info on my blog. But do what will help you sleep at night. This is your journey. Look inside and do what's best for you.

                          Wishing you all the best,

                          Lauren

                          debwray
                          Participant

                            Hi,

                            You need to find out more re the trials in order to make choices.

                            Staginginfo https://cancerstaging.org/references-tools/quickreferences/documents/melanomasmall.pdf

                            link to all canadian studies re melanoma but you would need to carefully look at inclusion/ exclusion criteria and work out if you would be happy with randomised treatment. also consider pros and cons of clnd if required .. but I think you might qualify as stage III due to findings in the lymph node.

                            https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=&recr=Open&type=&rslt=&age_v=&age=1&gndr=&cond=melanoma&intr=&titles=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&state1=&cntry1=NA%3ACA&state2=&cntry2=&state3=&cntry3=&locn=&rcv_s=&rcv_e=&lup_s=&lup_e=

                            Also consider how you would be reviewed if watch and wait. Some centres are looking at ultrasound to detect early changes in lymph nodes.. or would it be 3 monthly lymph node examinations ?

                            Good luck with your choices

                            Deb

                            debwray
                            Participant

                              Hi,

                              You need to find out more re the trials in order to make choices.

                              Staginginfo https://cancerstaging.org/references-tools/quickreferences/documents/melanomasmall.pdf

                              link to all canadian studies re melanoma but you would need to carefully look at inclusion/ exclusion criteria and work out if you would be happy with randomised treatment. also consider pros and cons of clnd if required .. but I think you might qualify as stage III due to findings in the lymph node.

                              https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=&recr=Open&type=&rslt=&age_v=&age=1&gndr=&cond=melanoma&intr=&titles=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&state1=&cntry1=NA%3ACA&state2=&cntry2=&state3=&cntry3=&locn=&rcv_s=&rcv_e=&lup_s=&lup_e=

                              Also consider how you would be reviewed if watch and wait. Some centres are looking at ultrasound to detect early changes in lymph nodes.. or would it be 3 monthly lymph node examinations ?

                              Good luck with your choices

                              Deb

                                SOLE
                                Participant

                                  Thanks Deb

                                  I am pushing for CT and MRI every 3 months for follow up. It's really difficult to get the right medical support here… 

                                  SOLE
                                  Participant

                                    Thanks Deb

                                    I am pushing for CT and MRI every 3 months for follow up. It's really difficult to get the right medical support here… 

                                    SOLE
                                    Participant

                                      Thanks Deb

                                      I am pushing for CT and MRI every 3 months for follow up. It's really difficult to get the right medical support here… 

                                    debwray
                                    Participant

                                      Hi,

                                      You need to find out more re the trials in order to make choices.

                                      Staginginfo https://cancerstaging.org/references-tools/quickreferences/documents/melanomasmall.pdf

                                      link to all canadian studies re melanoma but you would need to carefully look at inclusion/ exclusion criteria and work out if you would be happy with randomised treatment. also consider pros and cons of clnd if required .. but I think you might qualify as stage III due to findings in the lymph node.

                                      https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=&recr=Open&type=&rslt=&age_v=&age=1&gndr=&cond=melanoma&intr=&titles=&outc=&spons=&lead=&id=&state1=&cntry1=NA%3ACA&state2=&cntry2=&state3=&cntry3=&locn=&rcv_s=&rcv_e=&lup_s=&lup_e=

                                      Also consider how you would be reviewed if watch and wait. Some centres are looking at ultrasound to detect early changes in lymph nodes.. or would it be 3 monthly lymph node examinations ?

                                      Good luck with your choices

                                      Deb

                                      laulamb
                                      Participant

                                        Sole,

                                        I was diagnosed Stage 3a April 2016 and currently reside in Pennsylvania.  I did not qualify for clinical trials because I only had 1 lymph node positive.  I was offered interferon but I declined. I got a 2nd opinion with another melanoma specialist and recommended no treatment.  I was not comfortable with no treatment and she then sent pre-authorization to my insurance for Yervoy at 3 mg rather than 10 mg.  Had she not have gotten approval for 3 mg, I would have just watch and waited.  Even though I have done Yervoy, there is no way to know if my body is a responder or not.  Check out my profile for more information. 

                                        Good luck and know that I am thinking of you.

                                        laulamb
                                        Participant

                                          Sole,

                                          I was diagnosed Stage 3a April 2016 and currently reside in Pennsylvania.  I did not qualify for clinical trials because I only had 1 lymph node positive.  I was offered interferon but I declined. I got a 2nd opinion with another melanoma specialist and recommended no treatment.  I was not comfortable with no treatment and she then sent pre-authorization to my insurance for Yervoy at 3 mg rather than 10 mg.  Had she not have gotten approval for 3 mg, I would have just watch and waited.  Even though I have done Yervoy, there is no way to know if my body is a responder or not.  Check out my profile for more information. 

                                          Good luck and know that I am thinking of you.

                                          laulamb
                                          Participant

                                            Sole,

                                            I was diagnosed Stage 3a April 2016 and currently reside in Pennsylvania.  I did not qualify for clinical trials because I only had 1 lymph node positive.  I was offered interferon but I declined. I got a 2nd opinion with another melanoma specialist and recommended no treatment.  I was not comfortable with no treatment and she then sent pre-authorization to my insurance for Yervoy at 3 mg rather than 10 mg.  Had she not have gotten approval for 3 mg, I would have just watch and waited.  Even though I have done Yervoy, there is no way to know if my body is a responder or not.  Check out my profile for more information. 

                                            Good luck and know that I am thinking of you.

                                              SOLE
                                              Participant

                                                Thanks Laulamb

                                                I am sorry to see you are battling with two cancers at the same time.

                                                As for the 3mg Yervoy, I'm afraid this is impossible where I live. I am in the Canadian health system and we are not offered any flexibility.

                                                Your melanoma was relatively mild if I may say so. Mine compated to ypurs is twice as important. At least 2.85mm, Clark 4 , ulcerated. No other involvment of any kind locally. My WLE came back almost clear with clear margins, and 1 out of three nodes involved with "rare isolated cells" so somehow less than microscopic mets it seems. My onco surgeon said he did not operate further with CLND with such low tumor burden. Mind you I still need to see him and discuss all this face to face (my appt with him has been postponed three times so far… really unacceptable!) but as Ed said, you dont get in the clinical trials easily and I have a probable genetic condition with my patelets which I think will never get me in any clinical trials… at stage 3 at least.

                                                So now I'm considering something completely different as adjuvant therapy. If my first 3 month set of scans are still clear and I'm still NED, I am looking at going to Sanoviv (natural health cancer therapies) just south of San Diego. True, it costs a lot of money, maybe 10k$/week but it's my life on the line and with the adjuvant choices before me, I want to do something pro active.

                                                Any thoughts anyone? Good and bad…

                                                Janner
                                                Participant

                                                  Why go to Mexico for some very expensive unproven treatment? Why not find a clinical trial in the US with one of the proven drugs if your willing to spend big bucks?  In trials the drug is paid for, you have to pay for scans and labs (exact details depend on trial criteria).  Probably still can't get your ipi/nivo combo at your stage but maybe one of them as adjuvant.  The few that have gone south who posted about it didn't find the cure they were seeking.

                                                  Janner
                                                  Participant

                                                    Why go to Mexico for some very expensive unproven treatment? Why not find a clinical trial in the US with one of the proven drugs if your willing to spend big bucks?  In trials the drug is paid for, you have to pay for scans and labs (exact details depend on trial criteria).  Probably still can't get your ipi/nivo combo at your stage but maybe one of them as adjuvant.  The few that have gone south who posted about it didn't find the cure they were seeking.

                                                    SOLE
                                                    Participant

                                                      If any proven drug were available here in Canada for adjuvant stage 3 (other than interferon which is available but so controversial), I would jump on it! Unless I do the CLND (which is most probably overkill in my case) maybe then I can enter a clinical trial but i also have a patelets condition which I think will always be in the way. I still have to figure it out with the hemato onco team but this is what I am faced with.

                                                      Remember, I am looking at adjuvant treatment (given I still have clear scans) like high dose IV Vitamin C and others, everything to boost up my immune system. 

                                                       

                                                      SOLE
                                                      Participant

                                                        If any proven drug were available here in Canada for adjuvant stage 3 (other than interferon which is available but so controversial), I would jump on it! Unless I do the CLND (which is most probably overkill in my case) maybe then I can enter a clinical trial but i also have a patelets condition which I think will always be in the way. I still have to figure it out with the hemato onco team but this is what I am faced with.

                                                        Remember, I am looking at adjuvant treatment (given I still have clear scans) like high dose IV Vitamin C and others, everything to boost up my immune system. 

                                                         

                                                        sleepyt23
                                                        Participant

                                                          Yervoy (Ipilimumab) is available for adjuvant treatment in the US. I was stage 3B and I am going to get my fourth infusion next week.

                                                          sleepyt23
                                                          Participant

                                                            Yervoy (Ipilimumab) is available for adjuvant treatment in the US. I was stage 3B and I am going to get my fourth infusion next week.

                                                            sleepyt23
                                                            Participant

                                                              Yervoy (Ipilimumab) is available for adjuvant treatment in the US. I was stage 3B and I am going to get my fourth infusion next week.

                                                              SOLE
                                                              Participant

                                                                Good for you

                                                                Not available in Canada

                                                                SOLE
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Good for you

                                                                  Not available in Canada

                                                                  SOLE
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Good for you

                                                                    Not available in Canada

                                                                    SOLE
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      If any proven drug were available here in Canada for adjuvant stage 3 (other than interferon which is available but so controversial), I would jump on it! Unless I do the CLND (which is most probably overkill in my case) maybe then I can enter a clinical trial but i also have a patelets condition which I think will always be in the way. I still have to figure it out with the hemato onco team but this is what I am faced with.

                                                                      Remember, I am looking at adjuvant treatment (given I still have clear scans) like high dose IV Vitamin C and others, everything to boost up my immune system. 

                                                                       

                                                                      Janner
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Why go to Mexico for some very expensive unproven treatment? Why not find a clinical trial in the US with one of the proven drugs if your willing to spend big bucks?  In trials the drug is paid for, you have to pay for scans and labs (exact details depend on trial criteria).  Probably still can't get your ipi/nivo combo at your stage but maybe one of them as adjuvant.  The few that have gone south who posted about it didn't find the cure they were seeking.

                                                                        SOLE
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Thanks Laulamb

                                                                          I am sorry to see you are battling with two cancers at the same time.

                                                                          As for the 3mg Yervoy, I'm afraid this is impossible where I live. I am in the Canadian health system and we are not offered any flexibility.

                                                                          Your melanoma was relatively mild if I may say so. Mine compated to ypurs is twice as important. At least 2.85mm, Clark 4 , ulcerated. No other involvment of any kind locally. My WLE came back almost clear with clear margins, and 1 out of three nodes involved with "rare isolated cells" so somehow less than microscopic mets it seems. My onco surgeon said he did not operate further with CLND with such low tumor burden. Mind you I still need to see him and discuss all this face to face (my appt with him has been postponed three times so far… really unacceptable!) but as Ed said, you dont get in the clinical trials easily and I have a probable genetic condition with my patelets which I think will never get me in any clinical trials… at stage 3 at least.

                                                                          So now I'm considering something completely different as adjuvant therapy. If my first 3 month set of scans are still clear and I'm still NED, I am looking at going to Sanoviv (natural health cancer therapies) just south of San Diego. True, it costs a lot of money, maybe 10k$/week but it's my life on the line and with the adjuvant choices before me, I want to do something pro active.

                                                                          Any thoughts anyone? Good and bad…

                                                                          SOLE
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Thanks Laulamb

                                                                            I am sorry to see you are battling with two cancers at the same time.

                                                                            As for the 3mg Yervoy, I'm afraid this is impossible where I live. I am in the Canadian health system and we are not offered any flexibility.

                                                                            Your melanoma was relatively mild if I may say so. Mine compated to ypurs is twice as important. At least 2.85mm, Clark 4 , ulcerated. No other involvment of any kind locally. My WLE came back almost clear with clear margins, and 1 out of three nodes involved with "rare isolated cells" so somehow less than microscopic mets it seems. My onco surgeon said he did not operate further with CLND with such low tumor burden. Mind you I still need to see him and discuss all this face to face (my appt with him has been postponed three times so far… really unacceptable!) but as Ed said, you dont get in the clinical trials easily and I have a probable genetic condition with my patelets which I think will never get me in any clinical trials… at stage 3 at least.

                                                                            So now I'm considering something completely different as adjuvant therapy. If my first 3 month set of scans are still clear and I'm still NED, I am looking at going to Sanoviv (natural health cancer therapies) just south of San Diego. True, it costs a lot of money, maybe 10k$/week but it's my life on the line and with the adjuvant choices before me, I want to do something pro active.

                                                                            Any thoughts anyone? Good and bad…

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