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Angry At Missed Opportunity For Yervoy Clinical Trial

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    I am so angry right now. Just went to the doctor to find out which immuniotherapy my mom will receive for her stage 3C melanoma. The doctor told her that her only option is Interferon. She was hoping to be in the Yervoy clinical trial. Apparently, she is missing the opportunity to be in the clinical trial by 5 days. She receives all care & treatments at UT Southwestern (in Dallas, TX). The immuniotherapy should have been coordinated with the radiation so that she did not miss the window of acceptance into the clinical trial. 

    I am so angry right now. Just went to the doctor to find out which immuniotherapy my mom will receive for her stage 3C melanoma. The doctor told her that her only option is Interferon. She was hoping to be in the Yervoy clinical trial. Apparently, she is missing the opportunity to be in the clinical trial by 5 days. She receives all care & treatments at UT Southwestern (in Dallas, TX). The immuniotherapy should have been coordinated with the radiation so that she did not miss the window of acceptance into the clinical trial. 

    She is going to start high dose Interferon next Monday. 

    I feel like she was not afforded EVERY opportunity to be in the clinical trial. If the radiation had started 5 days earlier or ended 5 days earlier, she would have been in the clinical trial. I feel so angry right now.

    Anyone else have a similar situation?

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      Charlie S
      Participant

        I clearly hear your anger and frustration. 

        Not to sound scolding, but informative………let this be a lesson.

        No matter where one goes and no matter the credentials; people drop the ball.  This is why I have said more than once there is NO best place for melanoma treatment.

        The best is where there is an open, clear, concise  and timely exchange  of relevant information with the patient being an active participant. as the one in charge in the decision making process.

          Clearly in the case of your mother, this did not happen because expectations were not met.

        So, what to do?

        First, as clearly as you can, reduce your thoughts to writing .  Difficult as it is, separate your emotions and stick to the facts about quality, availability of care and the lack of choice, and poor communication. that limited  the options for the care of your mother. 

        I do not say this as a foundation for legal action, but  the patient MUST be assertive when the care of doctors is in question.  Tell them. 

        This is the start of a true working relationship with a doctor.  But they must be told.

        They don't respond?  Go someplace else.   Never be afraid to tell a doctor to his/her face they are fired and tell them why.

        They do respond?  Use it as a base for a way forward based upon an understanding of expectations and stand resolute.

        Sad to say, but trust no one, follow up always, verify and get things in writing. and put all the information in a three ring binder.  It is surprising how responsive people are when you whip out your binder with written communication that something was supposed to happen when it did not.

        As always, her chance so her choice.  She is driving the bus here.

        I get the sense that interferon is a forgone conclusion.  It should not be until your concerns are addressed or it may be a messy road ahead.

        I'm certainly in no position to be speaking about religion, but is it not true that somewhere it has been said  or written that t "the Lord helps them who help themselves"?

        My best to you and your mother.

        Charlie S

         

         

        Charlie S
        Participant

          I clearly hear your anger and frustration. 

          Not to sound scolding, but informative………let this be a lesson.

          No matter where one goes and no matter the credentials; people drop the ball.  This is why I have said more than once there is NO best place for melanoma treatment.

          The best is where there is an open, clear, concise  and timely exchange  of relevant information with the patient being an active participant. as the one in charge in the decision making process.

            Clearly in the case of your mother, this did not happen because expectations were not met.

          So, what to do?

          First, as clearly as you can, reduce your thoughts to writing .  Difficult as it is, separate your emotions and stick to the facts about quality, availability of care and the lack of choice, and poor communication. that limited  the options for the care of your mother. 

          I do not say this as a foundation for legal action, but  the patient MUST be assertive when the care of doctors is in question.  Tell them. 

          This is the start of a true working relationship with a doctor.  But they must be told.

          They don't respond?  Go someplace else.   Never be afraid to tell a doctor to his/her face they are fired and tell them why.

          They do respond?  Use it as a base for a way forward based upon an understanding of expectations and stand resolute.

          Sad to say, but trust no one, follow up always, verify and get things in writing. and put all the information in a three ring binder.  It is surprising how responsive people are when you whip out your binder with written communication that something was supposed to happen when it did not.

          As always, her chance so her choice.  She is driving the bus here.

          I get the sense that interferon is a forgone conclusion.  It should not be until your concerns are addressed or it may be a messy road ahead.

          I'm certainly in no position to be speaking about religion, but is it not true that somewhere it has been said  or written that t "the Lord helps them who help themselves"?

          My best to you and your mother.

          Charlie S

           

           

            Charlie,

            "let this be a lesson"….are you serious???

            If this is your best effort in being "helpful", you can spare me.

            Charlie,

            "let this be a lesson"….are you serious???

            If this is your best effort in being "helpful", you can spare me.

            Charlie S
            Participant

              Yes, I am serious.  I shared your frustation, agreed  circumstances are  not acceptable, offered you tools to address it and prefaced all that as not scolding but trying to help in a forward fashion to prevent it from happening again in order to get the best care possible for your mother.

              Getting on an emotional high horse, which I warned you about,  will solve nothing. 

              Define the problem and work that problem.

              Lash out at me all you want, but read my response to you and use it as a tool forward.

              My best to your mother.

              Charlie S

               

              Charlie S
              Participant

                Yes, I am serious.  I shared your frustation, agreed  circumstances are  not acceptable, offered you tools to address it and prefaced all that as not scolding but trying to help in a forward fashion to prevent it from happening again in order to get the best care possible for your mother.

                Getting on an emotional high horse, which I warned you about,  will solve nothing. 

                Define the problem and work that problem.

                Lash out at me all you want, but read my response to you and use it as a tool forward.

                My best to your mother.

                Charlie S

                 

                Charlie S
                Participant

                  Yes, I am serious.  I shared your frustation, agreed  circumstances are  not acceptable, offered you tools to address it and prefaced all that as not scolding but trying to help in a forward fashion to prevent it from happening again in order to get the best care possible for your mother.

                  Getting on an emotional high horse, which I warned you about,  will solve nothing. 

                  Define the problem and work that problem.

                  Lash out at me all you want, but read my response to you and use it as a tool forward.

                  My best to your mother.

                  Charlie S

                   

                  Charlie,

                  "let this be a lesson"….are you serious???

                  If this is your best effort in being "helpful", you can spare me.

                Charlie S
                Participant

                  I clearly hear your anger and frustration. 

                  Not to sound scolding, but informative………let this be a lesson.

                  No matter where one goes and no matter the credentials; people drop the ball.  This is why I have said more than once there is NO best place for melanoma treatment.

                  The best is where there is an open, clear, concise  and timely exchange  of relevant information with the patient being an active participant. as the one in charge in the decision making process.

                    Clearly in the case of your mother, this did not happen because expectations were not met.

                  So, what to do?

                  First, as clearly as you can, reduce your thoughts to writing .  Difficult as it is, separate your emotions and stick to the facts about quality, availability of care and the lack of choice, and poor communication. that limited  the options for the care of your mother. 

                  I do not say this as a foundation for legal action, but  the patient MUST be assertive when the care of doctors is in question.  Tell them. 

                  This is the start of a true working relationship with a doctor.  But they must be told.

                  They don't respond?  Go someplace else.   Never be afraid to tell a doctor to his/her face they are fired and tell them why.

                  They do respond?  Use it as a base for a way forward based upon an understanding of expectations and stand resolute.

                  Sad to say, but trust no one, follow up always, verify and get things in writing. and put all the information in a three ring binder.  It is surprising how responsive people are when you whip out your binder with written communication that something was supposed to happen when it did not.

                  As always, her chance so her choice.  She is driving the bus here.

                  I get the sense that interferon is a forgone conclusion.  It should not be until your concerns are addressed or it may be a messy road ahead.

                  I'm certainly in no position to be speaking about religion, but is it not true that somewhere it has been said  or written that t "the Lord helps them who help themselves"?

                  My best to you and your mother.

                  Charlie S

                   

                   

                  My mom contacted both the radiation & immuniotherapy departments, alerting them to the narrow window of time for the clinical trial & the time parameters. 

                  Her concerns were brushed off & not addressed.

                  Hence why I am angry about the situation.

                  My mom contacted both the radiation & immuniotherapy departments, alerting them to the narrow window of time for the clinical trial & the time parameters. 

                  Her concerns were brushed off & not addressed.

                  Hence why I am angry about the situation.

                    dearfoam
                    Participant

                      I am not well versed in the world of clinical trials, as ther eahve not been relevant ones for my dad, but, is she not able to try Yervoy since it is FDA approved? Is it because of her stage? I am not sure why it has to be in a trial, but maybe some other opportunities will open up. When my dad was Dx in April, they said he had one option and now there are three. You never know!

                      Best,

                      DF

                      dearfoam
                      Participant

                        I am not well versed in the world of clinical trials, as ther eahve not been relevant ones for my dad, but, is she not able to try Yervoy since it is FDA approved? Is it because of her stage? I am not sure why it has to be in a trial, but maybe some other opportunities will open up. When my dad was Dx in April, they said he had one option and now there are three. You never know!

                        Best,

                        DF

                        Dearfoam, 

                        Thank you for your post. That is great that your dad had more options open up. 

                        My mom has stage 3 and the Yervoy is only offered in clinical trails to stage 3 people at this point. 

                        Thanks for sharing. I appreciate your positive input. Good luck to your & your dad with his treatment.

                        Dearfoam, 

                        Thank you for your post. That is great that your dad had more options open up. 

                        My mom has stage 3 and the Yervoy is only offered in clinical trails to stage 3 people at this point. 

                        Thanks for sharing. I appreciate your positive input. Good luck to your & your dad with his treatment.

                        Dearfoam, 

                        Thank you for your post. That is great that your dad had more options open up. 

                        My mom has stage 3 and the Yervoy is only offered in clinical trails to stage 3 people at this point. 

                        Thanks for sharing. I appreciate your positive input. Good luck to your & your dad with his treatment.

                        dearfoam
                        Participant

                          I am not well versed in the world of clinical trials, as ther eahve not been relevant ones for my dad, but, is she not able to try Yervoy since it is FDA approved? Is it because of her stage? I am not sure why it has to be in a trial, but maybe some other opportunities will open up. When my dad was Dx in April, they said he had one option and now there are three. You never know!

                          Best,

                          DF

                        My mom contacted both the radiation & immuniotherapy departments, alerting them to the narrow window of time for the clinical trial & the time parameters. 

                        Her concerns were brushed off & not addressed.

                        Hence why I am angry about the situation.

                        DonnaK
                        Participant

                          I am not sure this advice will be helpful, but you may want to ask for clarification as to when the 12 week clock began.  When my husband entered the same trial, we heard several different opinions as to whether the clock initiated from the time of SNB or completion lymph node dissection.  Perhaps you could argue that the purpose of the radiation was to declare your mom clinically free of disease, and therefore the clock should start there?  I think a lot of these "requirements" are highly subjective. Even if you can't convince your current doctor, you might be able to enter the same trial at a different site…  Interferon will always be an option so you could try to pursue other options before committing to this route…

                          Best of luck!

                          DonnaK
                          Participant

                            I am not sure this advice will be helpful, but you may want to ask for clarification as to when the 12 week clock began.  When my husband entered the same trial, we heard several different opinions as to whether the clock initiated from the time of SNB or completion lymph node dissection.  Perhaps you could argue that the purpose of the radiation was to declare your mom clinically free of disease, and therefore the clock should start there?  I think a lot of these "requirements" are highly subjective. Even if you can't convince your current doctor, you might be able to enter the same trial at a different site…  Interferon will always be an option so you could try to pursue other options before committing to this route…

                            Best of luck!

                              Donna,

                              Thank you so much for your input & suggestions. 

                              The clinical trial said the 12 weeks began at the time of surgery. I pleaded for the dr to compromise, since it was a breakdown/neglect in communication between the radiation dept & the immuniotherapy dept (in the same building), that caused the delay of the 5 days & missing the window for entering the clinical trial. 

                              No compromise or budging. The dr told me that the regulations are set by the clinical trial and will be the same at any site offering it for stage 3 patients. 

                              Thank you for sharing yor experiences & advice. Both are appreciated.

                              God bless you & your husband.

                              Donna,

                              Thank you so much for your input & suggestions. 

                              The clinical trial said the 12 weeks began at the time of surgery. I pleaded for the dr to compromise, since it was a breakdown/neglect in communication between the radiation dept & the immuniotherapy dept (in the same building), that caused the delay of the 5 days & missing the window for entering the clinical trial. 

                              No compromise or budging. The dr told me that the regulations are set by the clinical trial and will be the same at any site offering it for stage 3 patients. 

                              Thank you for sharing yor experiences & advice. Both are appreciated.

                              God bless you & your husband.

                              NYKaren
                              Participant

                                Hi,

                                You say your mom is stage 3C.  I am as well, and since its FDA approval here in the US, Yervoy is available to Stage IIIC patients with unresectable melanoma. 

                                have you checked if this is an option? 

                                all the best,

                                karen

                                Karen,

                                Thank you for your post. I appreciate your insight. 

                                My mom is not unresctable, so unfortunately it doesn't apply to her. But I greatly appreciate your information. 

                                God bless you with your treatments. 

                                Karen,

                                Thank you for your post. I appreciate your insight. 

                                My mom is not unresctable, so unfortunately it doesn't apply to her. But I greatly appreciate your information. 

                                God bless you with your treatments. 

                                Karen,

                                Thank you for your post. I appreciate your insight. 

                                My mom is not unresctable, so unfortunately it doesn't apply to her. But I greatly appreciate your information. 

                                God bless you with your treatments. 

                                NYKaren
                                Participant

                                  Hi,

                                  You say your mom is stage 3C.  I am as well, and since its FDA approval here in the US, Yervoy is available to Stage IIIC patients with unresectable melanoma. 

                                  have you checked if this is an option? 

                                  all the best,

                                  karen

                                  NYKaren
                                  Participant

                                    Hi,

                                    You say your mom is stage 3C.  I am as well, and since its FDA approval here in the US, Yervoy is available to Stage IIIC patients with unresectable melanoma. 

                                    have you checked if this is an option? 

                                    all the best,

                                    karen

                                    Donna,

                                    Thank you so much for your input & suggestions. 

                                    The clinical trial said the 12 weeks began at the time of surgery. I pleaded for the dr to compromise, since it was a breakdown/neglect in communication between the radiation dept & the immuniotherapy dept (in the same building), that caused the delay of the 5 days & missing the window for entering the clinical trial. 

                                    No compromise or budging. The dr told me that the regulations are set by the clinical trial and will be the same at any site offering it for stage 3 patients. 

                                    Thank you for sharing yor experiences & advice. Both are appreciated.

                                    God bless you & your husband.

                                  DonnaK
                                  Participant

                                    I am not sure this advice will be helpful, but you may want to ask for clarification as to when the 12 week clock began.  When my husband entered the same trial, we heard several different opinions as to whether the clock initiated from the time of SNB or completion lymph node dissection.  Perhaps you could argue that the purpose of the radiation was to declare your mom clinically free of disease, and therefore the clock should start there?  I think a lot of these "requirements" are highly subjective. Even if you can't convince your current doctor, you might be able to enter the same trial at a different site…  Interferon will always be an option so you could try to pursue other options before committing to this route…

                                    Best of luck!

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