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Keytruda may be my last option

Forums General Melanoma Community Keytruda may be my last option

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    Steve2142
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      After PET finding massive amounts of cancer in my lungs, liver, spleen, and bone in late Octobter…followed by 13 tumors/mets found in the brain via MRI December, three doses of yervoy have been completed.

      Kew other key points:

      -I did not test for BRAF mutation

      -Coutaneous lesions continue to grown internally and externally … Some may be getting smaller but a ton continue to grow quickly.

      -Having increasing difficulty writing 

      -SRS was completed in December for the brain.  There has a hope that accelerated SRS and combined yervoy jumpstart me.

      So with yervoy not working, the oncologist would like to start on keytruda.  Does anyone have any thoughts, suggestions, observations?  Honesty is very much welcome was well.  Should I try keytruda (assuming the brain looks clean) or has this fight run its fight?

      Thanks, Steve

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        kpcollins31
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          Steve – I am surprised to hear that you have not been tested for the BRAF mutation given the tumor load. You should verify that with your oncologist – if they have not taken the initiative to do this on their own, I would recommend finding a treatment center that specializes in melanoma as I would think that test is standard course of action.

          If you are BRAF-positive, there are treatments out there that can be very effective at quickly knocking down the tumor load. These treatments tend to be shorter lived, but a reduced tumor load may increase the chances of success for Keytruda.

          Key thing here is not to give up… as long as treatment options are there, keep trying them.

          Kevin

           

          kpcollins31
          Participant

            Steve – I am surprised to hear that you have not been tested for the BRAF mutation given the tumor load. You should verify that with your oncologist – if they have not taken the initiative to do this on their own, I would recommend finding a treatment center that specializes in melanoma as I would think that test is standard course of action.

            If you are BRAF-positive, there are treatments out there that can be very effective at quickly knocking down the tumor load. These treatments tend to be shorter lived, but a reduced tumor load may increase the chances of success for Keytruda.

            Key thing here is not to give up… as long as treatment options are there, keep trying them.

            Kevin

             

            kpcollins31
            Participant

              Steve – I am surprised to hear that you have not been tested for the BRAF mutation given the tumor load. You should verify that with your oncologist – if they have not taken the initiative to do this on their own, I would recommend finding a treatment center that specializes in melanoma as I would think that test is standard course of action.

              If you are BRAF-positive, there are treatments out there that can be very effective at quickly knocking down the tumor load. These treatments tend to be shorter lived, but a reduced tumor load may increase the chances of success for Keytruda.

              Key thing here is not to give up… as long as treatment options are there, keep trying them.

              Kevin

               

                Steve2142
                Participant

                  Thanks Kevin for your time.  My oncologist did test me in November and said that the BRAF gene was not mutated so he changed the course of action to yervoy instead of Tafinlar/Mekinist.  Does this all all make sense?

                  Steve2142
                  Participant

                    Thanks Kevin for your time.  My oncologist did test me in November and said that the BRAF gene was not mutated so he changed the course of action to yervoy instead of Tafinlar/Mekinist.  Does this all all make sense?

                    kpcollins31
                    Participant

                      Sorry, Steve – I misread your post. What you say makes sense. I think Keytruda is worth a shot. 

                      Kevin

                       

                      kpcollins31
                      Participant

                        Sorry, Steve – I misread your post. What you say makes sense. I think Keytruda is worth a shot. 

                        Kevin

                         

                        kpcollins31
                        Participant

                          Sorry, Steve – I misread your post. What you say makes sense. I think Keytruda is worth a shot. 

                          Kevin

                           

                          Steve2142
                          Participant

                            Thanks Kevin for your time.  My oncologist did test me in November and said that the BRAF gene was not mutated so he changed the course of action to yervoy instead of Tafinlar/Mekinist.  Does this all all make sense?

                          arthurjedi007
                          Participant

                            Get on braf if you have mutation for it. While they are testing go ahead and start keytruda. If test shows braf then switch to it otherwise stay on keytruda. You gotta get moving man this disease as you know is a pain.

                            Hang in there man. I know how rough it can be but my tumor load doesn't seem to be as heavy as yours. I got about 30 plus tumors the largest is in my shoulder about 10 x 9 cm. 

                            You have to keep fighting. Others can only help. You have to dig deep and know you can beat this.

                            Im also stunned they did not do the braf test. You need that done right away and if positive start on the taf mek combo pills immediately. That is what braf is for is to reduce tumor load quickly. Like it usually starts within a week and they can confirm in as little as six weeks but you would already know before that because you would see it.

                            If braf test is negative or if it is going to take them more than two days (that's the minimum time they really need to test) then get on keytruda now. It takes awhile to work. Thus you will have to dig really deep to get to the results of it. I wouldn't bother waiting if the head looks clean or not just get on it. It and the braf can help with the brain.

                            Best of luck to you man. You have a hell of a battle to fight. Dig deep and keep fighting. I know if I hadn't started keytruda last May I wouldn't be here now. You can get better to you just have to fight fight fight. Believe me it can get better when they say two thirds of your tumors are shrinking and some have mild growth. It happened to me so it can happen to you too. Just hang in there and keep fighting. Never ever give up no matter how bad the pain and this crud is.

                            Artie

                            arthurjedi007
                            Participant

                              Get on braf if you have mutation for it. While they are testing go ahead and start keytruda. If test shows braf then switch to it otherwise stay on keytruda. You gotta get moving man this disease as you know is a pain.

                              Hang in there man. I know how rough it can be but my tumor load doesn't seem to be as heavy as yours. I got about 30 plus tumors the largest is in my shoulder about 10 x 9 cm. 

                              You have to keep fighting. Others can only help. You have to dig deep and know you can beat this.

                              Im also stunned they did not do the braf test. You need that done right away and if positive start on the taf mek combo pills immediately. That is what braf is for is to reduce tumor load quickly. Like it usually starts within a week and they can confirm in as little as six weeks but you would already know before that because you would see it.

                              If braf test is negative or if it is going to take them more than two days (that's the minimum time they really need to test) then get on keytruda now. It takes awhile to work. Thus you will have to dig really deep to get to the results of it. I wouldn't bother waiting if the head looks clean or not just get on it. It and the braf can help with the brain.

                              Best of luck to you man. You have a hell of a battle to fight. Dig deep and keep fighting. I know if I hadn't started keytruda last May I wouldn't be here now. You can get better to you just have to fight fight fight. Believe me it can get better when they say two thirds of your tumors are shrinking and some have mild growth. It happened to me so it can happen to you too. Just hang in there and keep fighting. Never ever give up no matter how bad the pain and this crud is.

                              Artie

                              arthurjedi007
                              Participant

                                Get on braf if you have mutation for it. While they are testing go ahead and start keytruda. If test shows braf then switch to it otherwise stay on keytruda. You gotta get moving man this disease as you know is a pain.

                                Hang in there man. I know how rough it can be but my tumor load doesn't seem to be as heavy as yours. I got about 30 plus tumors the largest is in my shoulder about 10 x 9 cm. 

                                You have to keep fighting. Others can only help. You have to dig deep and know you can beat this.

                                Im also stunned they did not do the braf test. You need that done right away and if positive start on the taf mek combo pills immediately. That is what braf is for is to reduce tumor load quickly. Like it usually starts within a week and they can confirm in as little as six weeks but you would already know before that because you would see it.

                                If braf test is negative or if it is going to take them more than two days (that's the minimum time they really need to test) then get on keytruda now. It takes awhile to work. Thus you will have to dig really deep to get to the results of it. I wouldn't bother waiting if the head looks clean or not just get on it. It and the braf can help with the brain.

                                Best of luck to you man. You have a hell of a battle to fight. Dig deep and keep fighting. I know if I hadn't started keytruda last May I wouldn't be here now. You can get better to you just have to fight fight fight. Believe me it can get better when they say two thirds of your tumors are shrinking and some have mild growth. It happened to me so it can happen to you too. Just hang in there and keep fighting. Never ever give up no matter how bad the pain and this crud is.

                                Artie

                                  arthurjedi007
                                  Participant

                                    Sorry I did not read it that you tested negative to braf.

                                    Then yeah get on keytruda immediately. Celeste has several posts how pd1 and ipi can help with the brain so just get on it. It is 2mg per kg every 3 weeks.    If you prefer they also approved opdivo which is brystal Myers pd1. It is 3mg per kg every 2 weeks. But the data as I understand they are very similar in effectiveness and side affects.

                                    once you are on pd1 maybe you can start looking for a trial. But they take time to get into usually. So yeah keytruda has saved me so far. I could tell things were better after the second dose. Hopefully you will have just as good luck.

                                    Artie

                                    arthurjedi007
                                    Participant

                                      Sorry I did not read it that you tested negative to braf.

                                      Then yeah get on keytruda immediately. Celeste has several posts how pd1 and ipi can help with the brain so just get on it. It is 2mg per kg every 3 weeks.    If you prefer they also approved opdivo which is brystal Myers pd1. It is 3mg per kg every 2 weeks. But the data as I understand they are very similar in effectiveness and side affects.

                                      once you are on pd1 maybe you can start looking for a trial. But they take time to get into usually. So yeah keytruda has saved me so far. I could tell things were better after the second dose. Hopefully you will have just as good luck.

                                      Artie

                                      arthurjedi007
                                      Participant

                                        Sorry I did not read it that you tested negative to braf.

                                        Then yeah get on keytruda immediately. Celeste has several posts how pd1 and ipi can help with the brain so just get on it. It is 2mg per kg every 3 weeks.    If you prefer they also approved opdivo which is brystal Myers pd1. It is 3mg per kg every 2 weeks. But the data as I understand they are very similar in effectiveness and side affects.

                                        once you are on pd1 maybe you can start looking for a trial. But they take time to get into usually. So yeah keytruda has saved me so far. I could tell things were better after the second dose. Hopefully you will have just as good luck.

                                        Artie

                                      kylez
                                      Participant

                                        Steve, I read your sentence as saying you did not test positive for the BRAF mutation, and I see in a previous post here, that that's what happened for you. So as you indicate, BRAF treatment is not an option. 

                                        Have you done a full course of Yervoy? How many infusions have you been able to get in? 

                                        I can't think of any reason not to try a new treatment, especially Keytruda, if the current treatment with Yervoy has run its course, and if you can tolerate infusions every 3 weeks, Keytruda is easily tolerated for most people. That's been the case for me, I should get infusion #22 of Nivolumab next week. 

                                        I understand a clinical trial might be difficult. Between the probable wash out periods, and the typical rigaramole to get from application to the first treatment, and the risk of getting rejected at the last minute, trials might be tough. Although for all I know, you might apply for one and get right in. One promising one for wild type patients is the LEE011/MEK162 trial someone reported here. Don't know if it has activity in the brain though.

                                        But, my thinking would be, if you can get a promision treatment like Keytruda without all those hoops, seems like that is a pretty worthy plan. Also, since Keytruda is approved, is there any reason they're giving not to try it even if something in the brain doesn't look totally clean? (it's incredibly frustrated that the brain is somehow often viewed differently than getting disease anywhere else in the body). Especially as immune therapy with Keytruda might very well reach the brain too.

                                        Good luck on what I hope is your next treatment plan.

                                        Kyle

                                        kylez
                                        Participant

                                          Steve, I read your sentence as saying you did not test positive for the BRAF mutation, and I see in a previous post here, that that's what happened for you. So as you indicate, BRAF treatment is not an option. 

                                          Have you done a full course of Yervoy? How many infusions have you been able to get in? 

                                          I can't think of any reason not to try a new treatment, especially Keytruda, if the current treatment with Yervoy has run its course, and if you can tolerate infusions every 3 weeks, Keytruda is easily tolerated for most people. That's been the case for me, I should get infusion #22 of Nivolumab next week. 

                                          I understand a clinical trial might be difficult. Between the probable wash out periods, and the typical rigaramole to get from application to the first treatment, and the risk of getting rejected at the last minute, trials might be tough. Although for all I know, you might apply for one and get right in. One promising one for wild type patients is the LEE011/MEK162 trial someone reported here. Don't know if it has activity in the brain though.

                                          But, my thinking would be, if you can get a promision treatment like Keytruda without all those hoops, seems like that is a pretty worthy plan. Also, since Keytruda is approved, is there any reason they're giving not to try it even if something in the brain doesn't look totally clean? (it's incredibly frustrated that the brain is somehow often viewed differently than getting disease anywhere else in the body). Especially as immune therapy with Keytruda might very well reach the brain too.

                                          Good luck on what I hope is your next treatment plan.

                                          Kyle

                                          kylez
                                          Participant

                                            Steve, I read your sentence as saying you did not test positive for the BRAF mutation, and I see in a previous post here, that that's what happened for you. So as you indicate, BRAF treatment is not an option. 

                                            Have you done a full course of Yervoy? How many infusions have you been able to get in? 

                                            I can't think of any reason not to try a new treatment, especially Keytruda, if the current treatment with Yervoy has run its course, and if you can tolerate infusions every 3 weeks, Keytruda is easily tolerated for most people. That's been the case for me, I should get infusion #22 of Nivolumab next week. 

                                            I understand a clinical trial might be difficult. Between the probable wash out periods, and the typical rigaramole to get from application to the first treatment, and the risk of getting rejected at the last minute, trials might be tough. Although for all I know, you might apply for one and get right in. One promising one for wild type patients is the LEE011/MEK162 trial someone reported here. Don't know if it has activity in the brain though.

                                            But, my thinking would be, if you can get a promision treatment like Keytruda without all those hoops, seems like that is a pretty worthy plan. Also, since Keytruda is approved, is there any reason they're giving not to try it even if something in the brain doesn't look totally clean? (it's incredibly frustrated that the brain is somehow often viewed differently than getting disease anywhere else in the body). Especially as immune therapy with Keytruda might very well reach the brain too.

                                            Good luck on what I hope is your next treatment plan.

                                            Kyle

                                            Mat
                                            Participant

                                              Steve, moving right into Keytruda seems like the best available option given your tumor load and BRAF status.  Hopefully you'll get a synergistic effect with ipi.

                                              Mat
                                              Participant

                                                Steve, moving right into Keytruda seems like the best available option given your tumor load and BRAF status.  Hopefully you'll get a synergistic effect with ipi.

                                                Mat
                                                Participant

                                                  Steve, moving right into Keytruda seems like the best available option given your tumor load and BRAF status.  Hopefully you'll get a synergistic effect with ipi.

                                                  BrianP
                                                  Participant

                                                    Steve,

                                                    i agree wholeheartedly with kyle and others.  Keytruda is a great option and although there could be a better trial option any delay would not be good. Any idea when your first infusion might be possible?  As a nivolumab responder I'm a huge fan of the anti-PD1 drugs. I wish you well. 

                                                    Brian

                                                    BrianP
                                                    Participant

                                                      Steve,

                                                      i agree wholeheartedly with kyle and others.  Keytruda is a great option and although there could be a better trial option any delay would not be good. Any idea when your first infusion might be possible?  As a nivolumab responder I'm a huge fan of the anti-PD1 drugs. I wish you well. 

                                                      Brian

                                                      BrianP
                                                      Participant

                                                        Steve,

                                                        i agree wholeheartedly with kyle and others.  Keytruda is a great option and although there could be a better trial option any delay would not be good. Any idea when your first infusion might be possible?  As a nivolumab responder I'm a huge fan of the anti-PD1 drugs. I wish you well. 

                                                        Brian

                                                        joelcairo
                                                        Participant

                                                          How about intralesional injection of an immunogenic drug like Imiquimod? Rose bengal has also been used for this. Yervoy and Keytruda are great, but they are not very specific, and this could help your immune system target the correct antigens.

                                                          I could post some studies, but it's almost pointless as there are numerous studies of both substances that can be readily found in Google and Google Scholar.

                                                          joelcairo
                                                          Participant

                                                            How about intralesional injection of an immunogenic drug like Imiquimod? Rose bengal has also been used for this. Yervoy and Keytruda are great, but they are not very specific, and this could help your immune system target the correct antigens.

                                                            I could post some studies, but it's almost pointless as there are numerous studies of both substances that can be readily found in Google and Google Scholar.

                                                            joelcairo
                                                            Participant

                                                              How about intralesional injection of an immunogenic drug like Imiquimod? Rose bengal has also been used for this. Yervoy and Keytruda are great, but they are not very specific, and this could help your immune system target the correct antigens.

                                                              I could post some studies, but it's almost pointless as there are numerous studies of both substances that can be readily found in Google and Google Scholar.

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