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Alkaline or acidic diet?

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    yunielth
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      Hi all!!

      I've been reading some posts related to the diet that one should take to fight somehow melanoma. Some people say it is better based on alkaline foods and others in an acidic diet.
      My sister has been doing a varied diet, with fruits and green vegetables and she has tried to limit some refined foods and sugar, and tries to eat many nuts. She is also taking supplements like curcumin, ip6 inositol and purple mushroom, and green tea.
      I wonder if there is any scientific study based on which diet one should follow, some people say that melanoma grows in an alkaline environment and others in an acid environment. Which one is better alkaline or acid?
      What diet / supplements should be follow? Any advice is welcome !!!
      Thanks,
      Yunielth.

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        DZnDef
        Participant

          Hello Yunielth – I am afraid there is no settled science on the acid/alkaline aspect of melanoma.  Most nutritionists and natural health folks that I've met or read about (in my own very unscientific research) advise an alkaline diet for fighting any kind of cancer.  This never sat well with me as I always feel better and more "myself" when I had some red meat.  I wanted to "get healthy" so I researched different ideas and found the Paleo diet (book – It Starts with Food).  This was a healthy diet that I could live with.  While on the diet, I lost 40 pounds and 2 of my lung tumors grew by only 1mm each every 3 months (most unchanged).  I don't know if this was due to the diet or the weight loss (or something else) but once my weight stabilzed, the growth of the tumors accelerated (per Jan 2015 scan).  In March I started the protocol designed for me by Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (a highly controversial MD who used diet, supplements, pancreatic enzymes and detox routines to treat advanced cancers).  I have not had a scan since January but I feel very healthy.  I will scan in December so I'll know more about my status then.  His own research and that of his predecessor and clinical experience suggested that melanoma (and leukemia and lymphomas) thrive in an alkaline environment.  When I told him my urine PH is acidic he told me that only shows what I am excreting.  It doesn't show what my cells are retaining.

          My own story is purely anecdotal and at this point, I cannot say with certainty it is a success story.  My December scans might show I am riddled with cancer.  But I feel great so we'll see.  I fully intend to take advantage of the drug therapies on offer if my current approach isn't working (or stops working).

          So, according to my doctor, I am a "balanced carnivore" which means lots of vegetables, some fruit, red meat 4-5 times a week, daily freshly made carrot juice, raw almonds (which you can only buy directly from growers as all commercially sold almonds are required to be pasteurized even the ones labeled "raw" due to a 2004 salmonella outbreak), etc. etc.  I'm basically allowed to eat whatever I want as long as it is not processed and no sugar.  Cooking from scratch only.  Nothing fried.  No soy.  No alfalfa sprouts.  Don't use non-stick pans. Grains should be sprouted and organic.  Ezequiel is a good brand.

          I will stress again – there is nothing scientifically proven about my diet with regards to melanoma.  Sometimes in this battle, you have to just go with your gut.  My gut likes eating this way and I can't imagine it is unhealthy compared to how I was eating before.  Best of luck to you and your sister.  She is lucky to have you looking out for her!

          DZnDef
          Participant

            Hello Yunielth – I am afraid there is no settled science on the acid/alkaline aspect of melanoma.  Most nutritionists and natural health folks that I've met or read about (in my own very unscientific research) advise an alkaline diet for fighting any kind of cancer.  This never sat well with me as I always feel better and more "myself" when I had some red meat.  I wanted to "get healthy" so I researched different ideas and found the Paleo diet (book – It Starts with Food).  This was a healthy diet that I could live with.  While on the diet, I lost 40 pounds and 2 of my lung tumors grew by only 1mm each every 3 months (most unchanged).  I don't know if this was due to the diet or the weight loss (or something else) but once my weight stabilzed, the growth of the tumors accelerated (per Jan 2015 scan).  In March I started the protocol designed for me by Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (a highly controversial MD who used diet, supplements, pancreatic enzymes and detox routines to treat advanced cancers).  I have not had a scan since January but I feel very healthy.  I will scan in December so I'll know more about my status then.  His own research and that of his predecessor and clinical experience suggested that melanoma (and leukemia and lymphomas) thrive in an alkaline environment.  When I told him my urine PH is acidic he told me that only shows what I am excreting.  It doesn't show what my cells are retaining.

            My own story is purely anecdotal and at this point, I cannot say with certainty it is a success story.  My December scans might show I am riddled with cancer.  But I feel great so we'll see.  I fully intend to take advantage of the drug therapies on offer if my current approach isn't working (or stops working).

            So, according to my doctor, I am a "balanced carnivore" which means lots of vegetables, some fruit, red meat 4-5 times a week, daily freshly made carrot juice, raw almonds (which you can only buy directly from growers as all commercially sold almonds are required to be pasteurized even the ones labeled "raw" due to a 2004 salmonella outbreak), etc. etc.  I'm basically allowed to eat whatever I want as long as it is not processed and no sugar.  Cooking from scratch only.  Nothing fried.  No soy.  No alfalfa sprouts.  Don't use non-stick pans. Grains should be sprouted and organic.  Ezequiel is a good brand.

            I will stress again – there is nothing scientifically proven about my diet with regards to melanoma.  Sometimes in this battle, you have to just go with your gut.  My gut likes eating this way and I can't imagine it is unhealthy compared to how I was eating before.  Best of luck to you and your sister.  She is lucky to have you looking out for her!

            DZnDef
            Participant

              Hello Yunielth – I am afraid there is no settled science on the acid/alkaline aspect of melanoma.  Most nutritionists and natural health folks that I've met or read about (in my own very unscientific research) advise an alkaline diet for fighting any kind of cancer.  This never sat well with me as I always feel better and more "myself" when I had some red meat.  I wanted to "get healthy" so I researched different ideas and found the Paleo diet (book – It Starts with Food).  This was a healthy diet that I could live with.  While on the diet, I lost 40 pounds and 2 of my lung tumors grew by only 1mm each every 3 months (most unchanged).  I don't know if this was due to the diet or the weight loss (or something else) but once my weight stabilzed, the growth of the tumors accelerated (per Jan 2015 scan).  In March I started the protocol designed for me by Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez (a highly controversial MD who used diet, supplements, pancreatic enzymes and detox routines to treat advanced cancers).  I have not had a scan since January but I feel very healthy.  I will scan in December so I'll know more about my status then.  His own research and that of his predecessor and clinical experience suggested that melanoma (and leukemia and lymphomas) thrive in an alkaline environment.  When I told him my urine PH is acidic he told me that only shows what I am excreting.  It doesn't show what my cells are retaining.

              My own story is purely anecdotal and at this point, I cannot say with certainty it is a success story.  My December scans might show I am riddled with cancer.  But I feel great so we'll see.  I fully intend to take advantage of the drug therapies on offer if my current approach isn't working (or stops working).

              So, according to my doctor, I am a "balanced carnivore" which means lots of vegetables, some fruit, red meat 4-5 times a week, daily freshly made carrot juice, raw almonds (which you can only buy directly from growers as all commercially sold almonds are required to be pasteurized even the ones labeled "raw" due to a 2004 salmonella outbreak), etc. etc.  I'm basically allowed to eat whatever I want as long as it is not processed and no sugar.  Cooking from scratch only.  Nothing fried.  No soy.  No alfalfa sprouts.  Don't use non-stick pans. Grains should be sprouted and organic.  Ezequiel is a good brand.

              I will stress again – there is nothing scientifically proven about my diet with regards to melanoma.  Sometimes in this battle, you have to just go with your gut.  My gut likes eating this way and I can't imagine it is unhealthy compared to how I was eating before.  Best of luck to you and your sister.  She is lucky to have you looking out for her!

              Janner
              Participant

                Remember, your sister most likely had all melanoma cells for her stage 1a melanoma removed via surgery.  She doesnt have metastatic melanoma.  She will most likely never deal with melanoma again.  Eat HEALTHY but don't expect her diet to keep her from a recurrence – diet hasn't been proven to do anything.  Anecdotes are fine and if eating a certain diet makes HER (not you) feel in control, then I say go for it.  But forcing her to eat a certain way so YOU feel better doesn't work for me.  This is her disease and eating and feeling control is such a personal thing.  In her situation, I think moderation and eating a basic healthy diet is the best course.  Just my opinion.  But I believe I've given you my opinion on this before.

                Janner
                Participant

                  Remember, your sister most likely had all melanoma cells for her stage 1a melanoma removed via surgery.  She doesnt have metastatic melanoma.  She will most likely never deal with melanoma again.  Eat HEALTHY but don't expect her diet to keep her from a recurrence – diet hasn't been proven to do anything.  Anecdotes are fine and if eating a certain diet makes HER (not you) feel in control, then I say go for it.  But forcing her to eat a certain way so YOU feel better doesn't work for me.  This is her disease and eating and feeling control is such a personal thing.  In her situation, I think moderation and eating a basic healthy diet is the best course.  Just my opinion.  But I believe I've given you my opinion on this before.

                  Janner
                  Participant

                    Remember, your sister most likely had all melanoma cells for her stage 1a melanoma removed via surgery.  She doesnt have metastatic melanoma.  She will most likely never deal with melanoma again.  Eat HEALTHY but don't expect her diet to keep her from a recurrence – diet hasn't been proven to do anything.  Anecdotes are fine and if eating a certain diet makes HER (not you) feel in control, then I say go for it.  But forcing her to eat a certain way so YOU feel better doesn't work for me.  This is her disease and eating and feeling control is such a personal thing.  In her situation, I think moderation and eating a basic healthy diet is the best course.  Just my opinion.  But I believe I've given you my opinion on this before.

                    Polymath
                    Participant

                      I have found this particular "cancer myth's debunked" article the best yet.  It covers your question and others we all encounter from well-meaning friends and family.  Its a great blending of science, with a dose of common sense added.  The only thing I can say is that the mind is a powerful thing, and perhaps some people need to believe, and the "placebo effect" can be a healing force.

                      Polymath
                      Participant

                        I have found this particular "cancer myth's debunked" article the best yet.  It covers your question and others we all encounter from well-meaning friends and family.  Its a great blending of science, with a dose of common sense added.  The only thing I can say is that the mind is a powerful thing, and perhaps some people need to believe, and the "placebo effect" can be a healing force.

                        Polymath
                        Participant

                          I have found this particular "cancer myth's debunked" article the best yet.  It covers your question and others we all encounter from well-meaning friends and family.  Its a great blending of science, with a dose of common sense added.  The only thing I can say is that the mind is a powerful thing, and perhaps some people need to believe, and the "placebo effect" can be a healing force.

                            CHD
                            Participant

                              That is an excellent article.  Thanks for posting the link to it.  I always have such a hard time explaining why acid/alkaline diets don't work the way people think they do.  This article explains it perfectly. 

                              CHD
                              Participant

                                That is an excellent article.  Thanks for posting the link to it.  I always have such a hard time explaining why acid/alkaline diets don't work the way people think they do.  This article explains it perfectly. 

                                CHD
                                Participant

                                  That is an excellent article.  Thanks for posting the link to it.  I always have such a hard time explaining why acid/alkaline diets don't work the way people think they do.  This article explains it perfectly. 

                                  DZnDef
                                  Participant

                                    Yes, anyone that can possibly achieve a "placebo effect" is truly fortunate as this would mean that person can control their cancer with their mind!  How awesome would that be?!

                                    I found the comment section to that article to be very entertaining.

                                    DZnDef
                                    Participant

                                      Yes, anyone that can possibly achieve a "placebo effect" is truly fortunate as this would mean that person can control their cancer with their mind!  How awesome would that be?!

                                      I found the comment section to that article to be very entertaining.

                                      DZnDef
                                      Participant

                                        Yes, anyone that can possibly achieve a "placebo effect" is truly fortunate as this would mean that person can control their cancer with their mind!  How awesome would that be?!

                                        I found the comment section to that article to be very entertaining.

                                        yunielth
                                        Participant

                                          Hello everyone,
                                          Thank you very much Polymath for such a good article! Thank you all for your comments and advices. DZnDef I wish you all the best in December, you will see everything will be ok.
                                          Janner I'm glad you're back, we all really missed you in the last months.
                                          Best wishes and prayers for all!!!
                                          Yunielth

                                          yunielth
                                          Participant

                                            Hello everyone,
                                            Thank you very much Polymath for such a good article! Thank you all for your comments and advices. DZnDef I wish you all the best in December, you will see everything will be ok.
                                            Janner I'm glad you're back, we all really missed you in the last months.
                                            Best wishes and prayers for all!!!
                                            Yunielth

                                            yunielth
                                            Participant

                                              Hello everyone,
                                              Thank you very much Polymath for such a good article! Thank you all for your comments and advices. DZnDef I wish you all the best in December, you will see everything will be ok.
                                              Janner I'm glad you're back, we all really missed you in the last months.
                                              Best wishes and prayers for all!!!
                                              Yunielth

                                            arthurjedi007
                                            Participant

                                              Based on what you listed she eats she might not be getting enough protein although nuts might be enough but maybe not.

                                              There is a drink by a former cancer patient and doc called orgain. Seems to be pretty good with the ingredients unlike most protein drinks in my opinion. Tastes pretty good too.

                                              Artie

                                              arthurjedi007
                                              Participant

                                                Based on what you listed she eats she might not be getting enough protein although nuts might be enough but maybe not.

                                                There is a drink by a former cancer patient and doc called orgain. Seems to be pretty good with the ingredients unlike most protein drinks in my opinion. Tastes pretty good too.

                                                Artie

                                                arthurjedi007
                                                Participant

                                                  Based on what you listed she eats she might not be getting enough protein although nuts might be enough but maybe not.

                                                  There is a drink by a former cancer patient and doc called orgain. Seems to be pretty good with the ingredients unlike most protein drinks in my opinion. Tastes pretty good too.

                                                  Artie

                                                  kylez
                                                  Participant

                                                    The reputation of anti-oxidants, especially supplements, is like that of mom and apple pie. However, some new research came out saying anti-oxidants are the opposite of good for melanoma patients, and may promote metastases. Oxidative stress is apparently better because cancer cells hold up less well than normal cells. I wonder if I can find some "oxidant" supplements to take?

                                                    If true, it would illustrate the possibility of paradoxical effects in a given supplement, the opposite of what is expected. I read about a place that did Gamma Knife and then had a protocol to rush them across the hospital to a hyperbaric chamber in about 7 minutes, to maximize the oxidative stress on melanoma cells. I've laid off my blueberries and raspberries… Maybe I should hang out in a hyperbaric chambers too?

                                                    kylez
                                                    Participant

                                                      The reputation of anti-oxidants, especially supplements, is like that of mom and apple pie. However, some new research came out saying anti-oxidants are the opposite of good for melanoma patients, and may promote metastases. Oxidative stress is apparently better because cancer cells hold up less well than normal cells. I wonder if I can find some "oxidant" supplements to take?

                                                      If true, it would illustrate the possibility of paradoxical effects in a given supplement, the opposite of what is expected. I read about a place that did Gamma Knife and then had a protocol to rush them across the hospital to a hyperbaric chamber in about 7 minutes, to maximize the oxidative stress on melanoma cells. I've laid off my blueberries and raspberries… Maybe I should hang out in a hyperbaric chambers too?

                                                      kylez
                                                      Participant

                                                        The reputation of anti-oxidants, especially supplements, is like that of mom and apple pie. However, some new research came out saying anti-oxidants are the opposite of good for melanoma patients, and may promote metastases. Oxidative stress is apparently better because cancer cells hold up less well than normal cells. I wonder if I can find some "oxidant" supplements to take?

                                                        If true, it would illustrate the possibility of paradoxical effects in a given supplement, the opposite of what is expected. I read about a place that did Gamma Knife and then had a protocol to rush them across the hospital to a hyperbaric chamber in about 7 minutes, to maximize the oxidative stress on melanoma cells. I've laid off my blueberries and raspberries… Maybe I should hang out in a hyperbaric chambers too?

                                                          DZnDef
                                                          Participant

                                                            Yes, I have heard similar things about oxidants and cancer.  It can drive you crazy, one day studies tell you something is bad for you the next day its a "superfood", then its bad for you again.  At the end of the day, I don't think we can look at food the same way we look at drugs.  Meaning that a whole food is complex.  For example, casein in cow's milk is carcinogenic.  But natural enzymes in raw cow's milk neutralize the casein and have other benefits.  So the "whole" food has a different effect than any one thing in the food by itself.  At the end of the day, eating a variety of whole foods is probably what's best for us (just like they've been saying for years).  Keep eating those blueberries (as long as that's not the only thing you eat)!

                                                            DZnDef
                                                            Participant

                                                              Yes, I have heard similar things about oxidants and cancer.  It can drive you crazy, one day studies tell you something is bad for you the next day its a "superfood", then its bad for you again.  At the end of the day, I don't think we can look at food the same way we look at drugs.  Meaning that a whole food is complex.  For example, casein in cow's milk is carcinogenic.  But natural enzymes in raw cow's milk neutralize the casein and have other benefits.  So the "whole" food has a different effect than any one thing in the food by itself.  At the end of the day, eating a variety of whole foods is probably what's best for us (just like they've been saying for years).  Keep eating those blueberries (as long as that's not the only thing you eat)!

                                                              DZnDef
                                                              Participant

                                                                Yes, I have heard similar things about oxidants and cancer.  It can drive you crazy, one day studies tell you something is bad for you the next day its a "superfood", then its bad for you again.  At the end of the day, I don't think we can look at food the same way we look at drugs.  Meaning that a whole food is complex.  For example, casein in cow's milk is carcinogenic.  But natural enzymes in raw cow's milk neutralize the casein and have other benefits.  So the "whole" food has a different effect than any one thing in the food by itself.  At the end of the day, eating a variety of whole foods is probably what's best for us (just like they've been saying for years).  Keep eating those blueberries (as long as that's not the only thing you eat)!

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