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Am I just a wimp?

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    Ajwells
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      I read a lot about Yervoy on this forum. I see mostly "I didn't have any side effects" or "my side effects didn't start until the 3rd infusion". 

      To be upfront this is adjuvant treatment.  And a lot of what I could find are older articles from like 2011 during clinical trials  

      As I lay here a week after my first infusion SO tired. Bone tired. I have yet to make it through a 4 hour shift at work. 

      I looked up drug interactions because I'm on a lot of psych meds (Lamictal, Effexor, Buspar, Trazodone) and I didn't find anything, I guess I should trust my oncologist to know. 

      I'm trying to eat healthy, drink plenty of water. My appitite is decreased, but it has been decreased for long before the melanoma came along. 

      I feel like a pansy. How am I going to take the rest of the treatments when I'm already over it?  I can't take care of 3 kids, work my job, and feel sick all of the time. 

      I made the choice along with my doctor to do the treatment because cancer and recurrence run rampant in my family and I'm too damn young and have too much to live for to play games. So I've got to either figure out what to do to deal with the side effects or I need to get less on my plate. 

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        jennunicorn
        Participant

          Fatigue is very common and probably a side effect that doesn't get mentioned as often as other more serious ones. I have felt fatigued since the very first infusion. I get tired during the day much faster than I ever used to. I had to change my schedule at work to start later in the morning because it's wayyy harder for me to wake up and get going as quickly as I used to. I don't have kids yet, so I can only imagine how much more that would add to feeling drained. You might need to cut back time at work, like I did. I work about 5-6 hours a day now, I used to work 8 hours a day. Financially it's been difficult and I try really hard to work as much as I can, but I also try to listen to my body and when it's done it's done and I need to give it rest. 

          When I've told my oncologist about my fatigue, she said that's typical, some patients get more fatigued than others. She said if I get fatigued to the point that I can't get out of bed at all then that's a problem that would need further investigating. 

          I will say the fatigue gets better the farther out from the infusion you get. But, with the first 4 main doses, for me anyway, I would feel almost close to normal the week before the next infusion and then BAM infusion time and back to feeling like a snail. I am now on maintenance doses so they are 3 months apart which has helped me regain more of my normal energy levels. My next infusion is in a couple of weeks and I am trying to work a bunch and get lots of errands and cleaning done before it comes because I know I'm going to be back to feeling pretty darn tired.

          Let your onc know about your fatigue and any other symptoms, always keep your doc in the loop. It is possible the other medications you're on are contributing to the fatigue, but I don't know as much about those. Your onc should definitely know about any and all medications and supplements you take.

          This will all go by faster than it seems, take care of yourself and rest up as much as you can.

          jennunicorn
          Participant

            Fatigue is very common and probably a side effect that doesn't get mentioned as often as other more serious ones. I have felt fatigued since the very first infusion. I get tired during the day much faster than I ever used to. I had to change my schedule at work to start later in the morning because it's wayyy harder for me to wake up and get going as quickly as I used to. I don't have kids yet, so I can only imagine how much more that would add to feeling drained. You might need to cut back time at work, like I did. I work about 5-6 hours a day now, I used to work 8 hours a day. Financially it's been difficult and I try really hard to work as much as I can, but I also try to listen to my body and when it's done it's done and I need to give it rest. 

            When I've told my oncologist about my fatigue, she said that's typical, some patients get more fatigued than others. She said if I get fatigued to the point that I can't get out of bed at all then that's a problem that would need further investigating. 

            I will say the fatigue gets better the farther out from the infusion you get. But, with the first 4 main doses, for me anyway, I would feel almost close to normal the week before the next infusion and then BAM infusion time and back to feeling like a snail. I am now on maintenance doses so they are 3 months apart which has helped me regain more of my normal energy levels. My next infusion is in a couple of weeks and I am trying to work a bunch and get lots of errands and cleaning done before it comes because I know I'm going to be back to feeling pretty darn tired.

            Let your onc know about your fatigue and any other symptoms, always keep your doc in the loop. It is possible the other medications you're on are contributing to the fatigue, but I don't know as much about those. Your onc should definitely know about any and all medications and supplements you take.

            This will all go by faster than it seems, take care of yourself and rest up as much as you can.

            jennunicorn
            Participant

              Fatigue is very common and probably a side effect that doesn't get mentioned as often as other more serious ones. I have felt fatigued since the very first infusion. I get tired during the day much faster than I ever used to. I had to change my schedule at work to start later in the morning because it's wayyy harder for me to wake up and get going as quickly as I used to. I don't have kids yet, so I can only imagine how much more that would add to feeling drained. You might need to cut back time at work, like I did. I work about 5-6 hours a day now, I used to work 8 hours a day. Financially it's been difficult and I try really hard to work as much as I can, but I also try to listen to my body and when it's done it's done and I need to give it rest. 

              When I've told my oncologist about my fatigue, she said that's typical, some patients get more fatigued than others. She said if I get fatigued to the point that I can't get out of bed at all then that's a problem that would need further investigating. 

              I will say the fatigue gets better the farther out from the infusion you get. But, with the first 4 main doses, for me anyway, I would feel almost close to normal the week before the next infusion and then BAM infusion time and back to feeling like a snail. I am now on maintenance doses so they are 3 months apart which has helped me regain more of my normal energy levels. My next infusion is in a couple of weeks and I am trying to work a bunch and get lots of errands and cleaning done before it comes because I know I'm going to be back to feeling pretty darn tired.

              Let your onc know about your fatigue and any other symptoms, always keep your doc in the loop. It is possible the other medications you're on are contributing to the fatigue, but I don't know as much about those. Your onc should definitely know about any and all medications and supplements you take.

              This will all go by faster than it seems, take care of yourself and rest up as much as you can.

                Ajwells
                Participant

                  Thanks for your reply!  That makes me feel a little better. My oncologist does have my long list of medications and supplements that we go through at every appointment. I still do worry about the effect that all of those meds have on my liver even before the treatment and I wish I could find a way to cut them down, but my mentals think otherwise. 

                  Ajwells
                  Participant

                    Thanks for your reply!  That makes me feel a little better. My oncologist does have my long list of medications and supplements that we go through at every appointment. I still do worry about the effect that all of those meds have on my liver even before the treatment and I wish I could find a way to cut them down, but my mentals think otherwise. 

                    Ajwells
                    Participant

                      Thanks for your reply!  That makes me feel a little better. My oncologist does have my long list of medications and supplements that we go through at every appointment. I still do worry about the effect that all of those meds have on my liver even before the treatment and I wish I could find a way to cut them down, but my mentals think otherwise. 

                      momof4boys
                      Participant
                        My only complaint really with ipi was fatigue. A little itching, mainly just tired, no energy, didnt have enough ambition to care about doing things I used to. I used to question in my head thyroid but it always checked out. Im like you, younger mom to 4 kids which is tiring in itself. Mine were old enough to watch themselves if I wanted a nap, otherwise I just went to bed early. I did mine mainly through the winter so sleepy anyways. Hang in there, it does get better.
                        momof4boys
                        Participant
                          My only complaint really with ipi was fatigue. A little itching, mainly just tired, no energy, didnt have enough ambition to care about doing things I used to. I used to question in my head thyroid but it always checked out. Im like you, younger mom to 4 kids which is tiring in itself. Mine were old enough to watch themselves if I wanted a nap, otherwise I just went to bed early. I did mine mainly through the winter so sleepy anyways. Hang in there, it does get better.
                          momof4boys
                          Participant
                            My only complaint really with ipi was fatigue. A little itching, mainly just tired, no energy, didnt have enough ambition to care about doing things I used to. I used to question in my head thyroid but it always checked out. Im like you, younger mom to 4 kids which is tiring in itself. Mine were old enough to watch themselves if I wanted a nap, otherwise I just went to bed early. I did mine mainly through the winter so sleepy anyways. Hang in there, it does get better.
                            laulamb
                            Participant

                              What dosage of ipi are you on?  I just had infusion of 3mg yesterday and I feel fine.  I am also Stage 3a.  

                              laulamb
                              Participant

                                What dosage of ipi are you on?  I just had infusion of 3mg yesterday and I feel fine.  I am also Stage 3a.  

                                laulamb
                                Participant

                                  What dosage of ipi are you on?  I just had infusion of 3mg yesterday and I feel fine.  I am also Stage 3a.  

                                MoiraM
                                Participant

                                  The plan is for the Yervoy/Ipi to trigger your immune system. As everyone's immune system is different, so are the side effects.

                                  Maybe some time in the future they will be able to run a battery of tests and then predict for an individual which immunotherapies will work, which won't and the possible side effects of the ones that should work. We are nowhere near that point yet.

                                  Before I started Yervory/Ipi (3mg/kg, four infusions) I was told that only 15% of people were 'responders', so for many people there is no effect. Others have side effects but no response against the melanoma cells.

                                  Then there is what I call the 'other stuff'. I am phobic of doctors/hospitals. Any visit to a hospital, even a scan or a consultation with a doctor, leaves me very tired. I guess it is emotional exhaustion.

                                  Here are some suggestions:

                                  Do you have a juicer? I never thought I would buy one but it did/does help me eat more healthily. When my appetite was poor, I could face a driink more than a plate of food, especially if that food was vegetables!

                                  Are you being unrealistic about what you 'should' be able to do? I would never have expected to have worked on a day I had my infusion. I know I am twice your age (56) and I have psychological issues to deal with, but it would not have occurred to me not to take the whole day off.

                                  What about 'me' time? Most of the people I know with two/three children, even if they are totally healthy, have almost no 'me' time. You need 'me' time to recover from the psychological and physiological impacts of the treatment.

                                   

                                   

                                  MoiraM
                                  Participant

                                    The plan is for the Yervoy/Ipi to trigger your immune system. As everyone's immune system is different, so are the side effects.

                                    Maybe some time in the future they will be able to run a battery of tests and then predict for an individual which immunotherapies will work, which won't and the possible side effects of the ones that should work. We are nowhere near that point yet.

                                    Before I started Yervory/Ipi (3mg/kg, four infusions) I was told that only 15% of people were 'responders', so for many people there is no effect. Others have side effects but no response against the melanoma cells.

                                    Then there is what I call the 'other stuff'. I am phobic of doctors/hospitals. Any visit to a hospital, even a scan or a consultation with a doctor, leaves me very tired. I guess it is emotional exhaustion.

                                    Here are some suggestions:

                                    Do you have a juicer? I never thought I would buy one but it did/does help me eat more healthily. When my appetite was poor, I could face a driink more than a plate of food, especially if that food was vegetables!

                                    Are you being unrealistic about what you 'should' be able to do? I would never have expected to have worked on a day I had my infusion. I know I am twice your age (56) and I have psychological issues to deal with, but it would not have occurred to me not to take the whole day off.

                                    What about 'me' time? Most of the people I know with two/three children, even if they are totally healthy, have almost no 'me' time. You need 'me' time to recover from the psychological and physiological impacts of the treatment.

                                     

                                     

                                    MoiraM
                                    Participant

                                      The plan is for the Yervoy/Ipi to trigger your immune system. As everyone's immune system is different, so are the side effects.

                                      Maybe some time in the future they will be able to run a battery of tests and then predict for an individual which immunotherapies will work, which won't and the possible side effects of the ones that should work. We are nowhere near that point yet.

                                      Before I started Yervory/Ipi (3mg/kg, four infusions) I was told that only 15% of people were 'responders', so for many people there is no effect. Others have side effects but no response against the melanoma cells.

                                      Then there is what I call the 'other stuff'. I am phobic of doctors/hospitals. Any visit to a hospital, even a scan or a consultation with a doctor, leaves me very tired. I guess it is emotional exhaustion.

                                      Here are some suggestions:

                                      Do you have a juicer? I never thought I would buy one but it did/does help me eat more healthily. When my appetite was poor, I could face a driink more than a plate of food, especially if that food was vegetables!

                                      Are you being unrealistic about what you 'should' be able to do? I would never have expected to have worked on a day I had my infusion. I know I am twice your age (56) and I have psychological issues to deal with, but it would not have occurred to me not to take the whole day off.

                                      What about 'me' time? Most of the people I know with two/three children, even if they are totally healthy, have almost no 'me' time. You need 'me' time to recover from the psychological and physiological impacts of the treatment.

                                       

                                       

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