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Any idea why I keep losing weight?

Forums General Melanoma Community Any idea why I keep losing weight?

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    arthurjedi007
    Participant

      I think I eat a lot but for the past couple months I lose about a pound every 4 or 5 days. It's starting to add up. I'm on Keytruda, Xgeva and just started taking oxycodone for my leg and hip pain. Before the disease I was 172. Just a couple months ago I was 167. But now I'm 159.

      This is what I typically eat in a day:

      breakfast – scrambled egg with green, red, yellow and orange bell peppers. onions, mushrooms, ham, tomato, garlic, tumeric in it.  glass of almond milk. glass of orange juice.

      morning snack – bananna and juice like kale blazer

      dinner – 2 chicken breasts in cream of mushroom sauce, slice of 12 grain bread, sweet potatoes, green beans, juice like daily greens

      afternoon snack – bananna, walnuts and brazil nuts, juice like green machine

      supper – large pork chop, baked potato, salad, decaf green tea

      evening snack – apple, bowl of post shredded wheat and bran with almond milk

      2 to 3 bottles of water throughout the day

       

      That's just what I had yesterday and it changes to sometimes steak and other stuff but pretty much similar.

      I'm not very active especially since my knee and hip hurting prevents me from walking much.

       

      I just can't figure out why I'm still losing weight. Any ideas?

      Artie

       

       

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        BrianP
        Participant

          Art,

          Definitely looks like you are getting plenty of calories.  Did you make any other changes to your diet like reduced sugar intake?  3 years ago when I progressed to stage III I was about 178 (I'm 5'9").  A year of interferon took its toll and I got down to about 140.  I'm now at what I consider my optimal weight which is around 155.  I do exercise but I think I've found my optimal weight by cutting out a lot of sugar.  I wasn't a horrible eater before but it wasn't uncommon for me to get a twix or snickers if I passed a vending machine, have a coke with a meal, eat dessert with lunch and dinner.  Basically by cutting those things out I cut about a 1000 calories a day out of my diet.  I'm wondering if you are getting to your "optimal weight" simply by the healthy eating choices you are making.  I hope that's what it is.  Not to get personal but have you noticed any difference with your digestion output?

          Brian

          BrianP
          Participant

            Art,

            Definitely looks like you are getting plenty of calories.  Did you make any other changes to your diet like reduced sugar intake?  3 years ago when I progressed to stage III I was about 178 (I'm 5'9").  A year of interferon took its toll and I got down to about 140.  I'm now at what I consider my optimal weight which is around 155.  I do exercise but I think I've found my optimal weight by cutting out a lot of sugar.  I wasn't a horrible eater before but it wasn't uncommon for me to get a twix or snickers if I passed a vending machine, have a coke with a meal, eat dessert with lunch and dinner.  Basically by cutting those things out I cut about a 1000 calories a day out of my diet.  I'm wondering if you are getting to your "optimal weight" simply by the healthy eating choices you are making.  I hope that's what it is.  Not to get personal but have you noticed any difference with your digestion output?

            Brian

            BrianP
            Participant

              Art,

              Definitely looks like you are getting plenty of calories.  Did you make any other changes to your diet like reduced sugar intake?  3 years ago when I progressed to stage III I was about 178 (I'm 5'9").  A year of interferon took its toll and I got down to about 140.  I'm now at what I consider my optimal weight which is around 155.  I do exercise but I think I've found my optimal weight by cutting out a lot of sugar.  I wasn't a horrible eater before but it wasn't uncommon for me to get a twix or snickers if I passed a vending machine, have a coke with a meal, eat dessert with lunch and dinner.  Basically by cutting those things out I cut about a 1000 calories a day out of my diet.  I'm wondering if you are getting to your "optimal weight" simply by the healthy eating choices you are making.  I hope that's what it is.  Not to get personal but have you noticed any difference with your digestion output?

              Brian

                arthurjedi007
                Participant

                  Yeah when all this started I cut out all the soda, sweets and stuff. So that was around 17 months or so ago. My glucose always measures fine though. Before the disease I would drink about a liter of soda a day and eat lots of potato chips. Rarely sweets though. Now I do none of that.

                  I go pretty much first thing every morning with ease. That is way different than before this disease. I remember sometimes I wouldn't go for a couple days and it was hard.

                  So hmm. I hadn't thought of it but yeah maybe I am just getting to my optimal weight. I dunno. Since the spine damage I lost about an inch so I'm about 5'9" now too.

                  Ok. I chalk it up to eatting healthier for now. That should make mom feel better.

                  Thanks Brian.

                  Artie

                  arthurjedi007
                  Participant

                    Yeah when all this started I cut out all the soda, sweets and stuff. So that was around 17 months or so ago. My glucose always measures fine though. Before the disease I would drink about a liter of soda a day and eat lots of potato chips. Rarely sweets though. Now I do none of that.

                    I go pretty much first thing every morning with ease. That is way different than before this disease. I remember sometimes I wouldn't go for a couple days and it was hard.

                    So hmm. I hadn't thought of it but yeah maybe I am just getting to my optimal weight. I dunno. Since the spine damage I lost about an inch so I'm about 5'9" now too.

                    Ok. I chalk it up to eatting healthier for now. That should make mom feel better.

                    Thanks Brian.

                    Artie

                    arthurjedi007
                    Participant

                      Yeah when all this started I cut out all the soda, sweets and stuff. So that was around 17 months or so ago. My glucose always measures fine though. Before the disease I would drink about a liter of soda a day and eat lots of potato chips. Rarely sweets though. Now I do none of that.

                      I go pretty much first thing every morning with ease. That is way different than before this disease. I remember sometimes I wouldn't go for a couple days and it was hard.

                      So hmm. I hadn't thought of it but yeah maybe I am just getting to my optimal weight. I dunno. Since the spine damage I lost about an inch so I'm about 5'9" now too.

                      Ok. I chalk it up to eatting healthier for now. That should make mom feel better.

                      Thanks Brian.

                      Artie

                    SteveH230
                    Participant
                      Artie,

                      My wife experienced gradual weight loss that I chalked up to healthier diet and treatment side effects. I noticed on one of her scan reports that they noted “patient is widely cachetic.”. There is a common condition that occurs in over 50% of cancer patients called cachexia where eating more doesn’t necessarily stop the weight loss.

                      Article: http://www.lef.org/protocols/health-concerns/catabolic-wasting/page-01

                      Recently I have seen some articles about potential treatments for it. Dont mean to scare you or intrude, but it might be something to ask the doctor about next time.

                      Always in my prayers Artie-

                      Steve

                      SteveH230
                      Participant
                        Artie,

                        My wife experienced gradual weight loss that I chalked up to healthier diet and treatment side effects. I noticed on one of her scan reports that they noted “patient is widely cachetic.”. There is a common condition that occurs in over 50% of cancer patients called cachexia where eating more doesn’t necessarily stop the weight loss.

                        Article: http://www.lef.org/protocols/health-concerns/catabolic-wasting/page-01

                        Recently I have seen some articles about potential treatments for it. Dont mean to scare you or intrude, but it might be something to ask the doctor about next time.

                        Always in my prayers Artie-

                        Steve

                        SteveH230
                        Participant
                          Artie,

                          My wife experienced gradual weight loss that I chalked up to healthier diet and treatment side effects. I noticed on one of her scan reports that they noted “patient is widely cachetic.”. There is a common condition that occurs in over 50% of cancer patients called cachexia where eating more doesn’t necessarily stop the weight loss.

                          Article: http://www.lef.org/protocols/health-concerns/catabolic-wasting/page-01

                          Recently I have seen some articles about potential treatments for it. Dont mean to scare you or intrude, but it might be something to ask the doctor about next time.

                          Always in my prayers Artie-

                          Steve

                          SteveH230
                          Participant
                            Artie,

                            My wife experienced gradual weight loss that I chalked up to healthier diet and treatment side effects. I noticed on one of her scan reports that they noted “patient is widely cachetic.”. There is a common condition that occurs in over 50% of cancer patients called cachexia where eating more doesn’t necessarily stop the weight loss.

                            Article: http://www.lef.org/protocols/health-concerns/catabolic-wasting/page-01

                            Recently I have seen some articles about potential treatments for it. Dont mean to scare you or intrude, but it might be something to ask the doctor about next time.

                            Always in my prayers Artie-

                            Steve

                            SteveH230
                            Participant
                              Artie,

                              My wife experienced gradual weight loss that I chalked up to healthier diet and treatment side effects. I noticed on one of her scan reports that they noted “patient is widely cachetic.”. There is a common condition that occurs in over 50% of cancer patients called cachexia where eating more doesn’t necessarily stop the weight loss.

                              Article: http://www.lef.org/protocols/health-concerns/catabolic-wasting/page-01

                              Recently I have seen some articles about potential treatments for it. Dont mean to scare you or intrude, but it might be something to ask the doctor about next time.

                              Always in my prayers Artie-

                              Steve

                              SteveH230
                              Participant
                                Artie,

                                My wife experienced gradual weight loss that I chalked up to healthier diet and treatment side effects. I noticed on one of her scan reports that they noted “patient is widely cachetic.”. There is a common condition that occurs in over 50% of cancer patients called cachexia where eating more doesn’t necessarily stop the weight loss.

                                Article: http://www.lef.org/protocols/health-concerns/catabolic-wasting/page-01

                                Recently I have seen some articles about potential treatments for it. Dont mean to scare you or intrude, but it might be something to ask the doctor about next time.

                                Always in my prayers Artie-

                                Steve

                                  tschmith
                                  Participant

                                    Hi Artie!  

                                    I'm impressed with your healthy diet!  You've motivated me to make some changes to my diet.  (I'm still digging into the leftover Halloween candy.)

                                    Just wondering…how are your thyroid numbers?  

                                    Keeping you in my prayers!  

                                    Terrie

                                    tschmith
                                    Participant

                                      Hi Artie!  

                                      I'm impressed with your healthy diet!  You've motivated me to make some changes to my diet.  (I'm still digging into the leftover Halloween candy.)

                                      Just wondering…how are your thyroid numbers?  

                                      Keeping you in my prayers!  

                                      Terrie

                                      tschmith
                                      Participant

                                        Hi Artie!  

                                        I'm impressed with your healthy diet!  You've motivated me to make some changes to my diet.  (I'm still digging into the leftover Halloween candy.)

                                        Just wondering…how are your thyroid numbers?  

                                        Keeping you in my prayers!  

                                        Terrie

                                        arthurjedi007
                                        Participant

                                          My thyroid number is always perfect in the middle.

                                          Artie

                                          arthurjedi007
                                          Participant

                                            My thyroid number is always perfect in the middle.

                                            Artie

                                            arthurjedi007
                                            Participant

                                              My thyroid number is always perfect in the middle.

                                              Artie

                                            Squash
                                            Participant

                                              It certainly seems like you are getting more than enough protein so I would say you need to add a good quality pancreatic enzyme to your diet as you dont seem to be digesting your protein adequately.

                                              There is a school of thought that goes that all cancer has its root in pancreatic insufficiency and malabsorption of protein.

                                              Take a look at Dr Gonzales's website. He uses pancreatic enzymes with a lot of success with cancer patients.

                                              He even has a few melanoma case studies on there.

                                              Interesting enough he gives all his melanoma patients a red meat diet at least one serving a day which goes against a lot of the vegan diets for cancer.

                                              I cant seem to paste it but it is Dr-Gonzalez.com

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              Squash
                                              Participant

                                                It certainly seems like you are getting more than enough protein so I would say you need to add a good quality pancreatic enzyme to your diet as you dont seem to be digesting your protein adequately.

                                                There is a school of thought that goes that all cancer has its root in pancreatic insufficiency and malabsorption of protein.

                                                Take a look at Dr Gonzales's website. He uses pancreatic enzymes with a lot of success with cancer patients.

                                                He even has a few melanoma case studies on there.

                                                Interesting enough he gives all his melanoma patients a red meat diet at least one serving a day which goes against a lot of the vegan diets for cancer.

                                                I cant seem to paste it but it is Dr-Gonzalez.com

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Squash
                                                Participant

                                                  It certainly seems like you are getting more than enough protein so I would say you need to add a good quality pancreatic enzyme to your diet as you dont seem to be digesting your protein adequately.

                                                  There is a school of thought that goes that all cancer has its root in pancreatic insufficiency and malabsorption of protein.

                                                  Take a look at Dr Gonzales's website. He uses pancreatic enzymes with a lot of success with cancer patients.

                                                  He even has a few melanoma case studies on there.

                                                  Interesting enough he gives all his melanoma patients a red meat diet at least one serving a day which goes against a lot of the vegan diets for cancer.

                                                  I cant seem to paste it but it is Dr-Gonzalez.com

                                                   

                                                   

                                                   

                                                  RJoeyB
                                                  Participant

                                                    Just my two cents Artie…  it sounds like you're eating pretty well and you've made some good changes to your diet over the past year or so since your diagnosis.  Combined with the number of new medications that you've received, weight changes in either direction wouldn't be a surprise.  The fact that you're exercising less can even contribute to some weight loss, especially if you are otherwise consuming a reasonably healthy diet.  I'm not suggesting that you forget about it or discounting your question at all, it's certainly something to keep an eye on and discuss with your doctor if it continues.  But also remember that there's a lot going on with your body:  dietary changes, exercise changes, medications, mental and emotional changes that affect appetite, and yes, disease processes too.  Might it be cachexia or another condition?  Perhaps.  My weight has been all over the place the past four years.  There are times it's been dietary changes, it's been my own appetite driven by mood, it's been exercise (when I've been able) or lack of (when I haven't been able), medication side effects, etc.  Long story short, the amount of change you've seen doesn't sound at all unreasonable to me.  Of course continue to keep an eye on it, but try not to give it too much focus or be too hard on yourself.

                                                    Joe

                                                     

                                                     

                                                    RJoeyB
                                                    Participant

                                                      Just my two cents Artie…  it sounds like you're eating pretty well and you've made some good changes to your diet over the past year or so since your diagnosis.  Combined with the number of new medications that you've received, weight changes in either direction wouldn't be a surprise.  The fact that you're exercising less can even contribute to some weight loss, especially if you are otherwise consuming a reasonably healthy diet.  I'm not suggesting that you forget about it or discounting your question at all, it's certainly something to keep an eye on and discuss with your doctor if it continues.  But also remember that there's a lot going on with your body:  dietary changes, exercise changes, medications, mental and emotional changes that affect appetite, and yes, disease processes too.  Might it be cachexia or another condition?  Perhaps.  My weight has been all over the place the past four years.  There are times it's been dietary changes, it's been my own appetite driven by mood, it's been exercise (when I've been able) or lack of (when I haven't been able), medication side effects, etc.  Long story short, the amount of change you've seen doesn't sound at all unreasonable to me.  Of course continue to keep an eye on it, but try not to give it too much focus or be too hard on yourself.

                                                      Joe

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      RJoeyB
                                                      Participant

                                                        Just my two cents Artie…  it sounds like you're eating pretty well and you've made some good changes to your diet over the past year or so since your diagnosis.  Combined with the number of new medications that you've received, weight changes in either direction wouldn't be a surprise.  The fact that you're exercising less can even contribute to some weight loss, especially if you are otherwise consuming a reasonably healthy diet.  I'm not suggesting that you forget about it or discounting your question at all, it's certainly something to keep an eye on and discuss with your doctor if it continues.  But also remember that there's a lot going on with your body:  dietary changes, exercise changes, medications, mental and emotional changes that affect appetite, and yes, disease processes too.  Might it be cachexia or another condition?  Perhaps.  My weight has been all over the place the past four years.  There are times it's been dietary changes, it's been my own appetite driven by mood, it's been exercise (when I've been able) or lack of (when I haven't been able), medication side effects, etc.  Long story short, the amount of change you've seen doesn't sound at all unreasonable to me.  Of course continue to keep an eye on it, but try not to give it too much focus or be too hard on yourself.

                                                        Joe

                                                         

                                                         

                                                        JustMeInCA
                                                        Participant

                                                          I was just reading up on this topic myself, as my dad dropped six pounds in the three weeks between infusions. His problem, I believe, is that he's had little appetite due to not wanting to manage his pain with medication; however, I read a couple things that might apply to you. The first, and probably very likely, is that cancer patients often lose muscle mass due to decreased exercise; the second had to do with the cancer having high metabolic activity which leads to weight loss. Do mention it when you go for your next infusion. 

                                                          P.S. I was quite intrigued by your use of breakfast, supper and dinner! Here in California, we have breakfast, lunch and dinner, and some people say supper instead of dinner. Regional language differences fascinate me!

                                                          JustMeInCA
                                                          Participant

                                                            I was just reading up on this topic myself, as my dad dropped six pounds in the three weeks between infusions. His problem, I believe, is that he's had little appetite due to not wanting to manage his pain with medication; however, I read a couple things that might apply to you. The first, and probably very likely, is that cancer patients often lose muscle mass due to decreased exercise; the second had to do with the cancer having high metabolic activity which leads to weight loss. Do mention it when you go for your next infusion. 

                                                            P.S. I was quite intrigued by your use of breakfast, supper and dinner! Here in California, we have breakfast, lunch and dinner, and some people say supper instead of dinner. Regional language differences fascinate me!

                                                            JustMeInCA
                                                            Participant

                                                              I was just reading up on this topic myself, as my dad dropped six pounds in the three weeks between infusions. His problem, I believe, is that he's had little appetite due to not wanting to manage his pain with medication; however, I read a couple things that might apply to you. The first, and probably very likely, is that cancer patients often lose muscle mass due to decreased exercise; the second had to do with the cancer having high metabolic activity which leads to weight loss. Do mention it when you go for your next infusion. 

                                                              P.S. I was quite intrigued by your use of breakfast, supper and dinner! Here in California, we have breakfast, lunch and dinner, and some people say supper instead of dinner. Regional language differences fascinate me!

                                                                JC
                                                                Participant

                                                                  not to mention "soda" vs "pop"  smiley

                                                                  JC
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    not to mention "soda" vs "pop"  smiley

                                                                    JC
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      not to mention "soda" vs "pop"  smiley

                                                                    DZnDef
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Hi Artie – It's hard to say what exactly your weight loss is attributed to, but as a point of comparison, I also made dramatic changes to my diet after my diagnosis by eliminating sugar and grains and processed food but otherwise eating as much as I wanted (no calorie counting).  I also didn't exercise much.  In March of this year I weighed 155 lbs. and now I weigh 115 lbs.  When I graduated high school I weighed 110 lbs. so I tend to believe that by cutting out the junk, I am approaching my "normal" or "natural" weight.  I asked several of my doctors if they thought cachexia was playing a role and they all said no, it is more likely due to diet but to make sure I do not go below my high school weight.  I spent one weekend "cheating" recently and gained 2 pounds so I proved to myself that I can gain weight easily if I go back to eating junk.  

                                                                      Definitely mention it to your doctors and see what they think.  But your current weight does not sound too low for your height.

                                                                      Cheers

                                                                        Cooper
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          I think this Dr. Gonzales is questionable.  Check this out:  

                                                                          The Total Fee for the initial evaluation (covering both sessions) is $4500. This also covers the time needed to design the protocol. The fee does not include the costs of any required blood tests. We have worked the cost of phone consultations into the initial fee and we encourage current patients to call with questions and problems.

                                                                          Cost of Supplements: The supplements are not sold in the office, but are available to our patients from a mail order source. The supplements are not available through health food stores or from sources on the Internet. The cost per month varies from patient to patient, but will run about $900 per month for a cancer patient, considerably less for patients with other types of illnesses.

                                                                           

                                                                           www.quackwatch.com

                                                                           

                                                                          DZnDef
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            I think this quackwatch is questionable.  Check this out:

                                                                            Quackwatch has been involved in a number of lawsuits and apparently Stephen Barrett had lost one or more lawsuits where the judge made him pay the opposing attorneys fees. Where does he get his funding?  He is a retired psychiatrist, how can he afford getting involved in so many lawsuits and pay all the legal bills?

                                                                             

                                                                            http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html

                                                                            DZnDef
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              I think this quackwatch is questionable.  Check this out:

                                                                              Quackwatch has been involved in a number of lawsuits and apparently Stephen Barrett had lost one or more lawsuits where the judge made him pay the opposing attorneys fees. Where does he get his funding?  He is a retired psychiatrist, how can he afford getting involved in so many lawsuits and pay all the legal bills?

                                                                               

                                                                              http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html

                                                                              DZnDef
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                I think this quackwatch is questionable.  Check this out:

                                                                                Quackwatch has been involved in a number of lawsuits and apparently Stephen Barrett had lost one or more lawsuits where the judge made him pay the opposing attorneys fees. Where does he get his funding?  He is a retired psychiatrist, how can he afford getting involved in so many lawsuits and pay all the legal bills?

                                                                                 

                                                                                http://www.raysahelian.com/quackwatch.html

                                                                                Squash
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  You need to do a bit more research. This guy has helped many cancer patients using the same methods that the late Dr Kelley used based primarily on pancreatic enzymes, detox and customised diets via your metabolic type.

                                                                                  If you look at his site check out the documented case studies of diagnosed cancer patients. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. He has three on there who had late stage melanoma who lived for many years and many other types of cancers as well.

                                                                                  BTW You can buy the pancreatic enzymes from Nutricology as that is what he gives his patients.

                                                                                   

                                                                                   

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Squash
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    You need to do a bit more research. This guy has helped many cancer patients using the same methods that the late Dr Kelley used based primarily on pancreatic enzymes, detox and customised diets via your metabolic type.

                                                                                    If you look at his site check out the documented case studies of diagnosed cancer patients. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. He has three on there who had late stage melanoma who lived for many years and many other types of cancers as well.

                                                                                    BTW You can buy the pancreatic enzymes from Nutricology as that is what he gives his patients.

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                     

                                                                                    DZnDef
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Squash!  Thank you so much for posting that!  I'd been trying to figure out where he sourced his pancreatic enzymes.  I only knew they came from New Zealand.  Anyone that's interested in his theory on cancer and treating it can take a look at this article he wrote recently.

                                                                                      http://alternative-therapies.com/at/web_pdfs/S202Gonzalez.pdf

                                                                                       

                                                                                      DZnDef
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        Squash!  Thank you so much for posting that!  I'd been trying to figure out where he sourced his pancreatic enzymes.  I only knew they came from New Zealand.  Anyone that's interested in his theory on cancer and treating it can take a look at this article he wrote recently.

                                                                                        http://alternative-therapies.com/at/web_pdfs/S202Gonzalez.pdf

                                                                                         

                                                                                        Squash
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          No problem it took a bit of digging to find out where he sourced the pancreatic enzymes.

                                                                                          What i found interesting is that he advocates red meat at least once a day for melanoma patients and no or little leafy greens or citrus.

                                                                                          It is a strict regime with enemas everyday and swallowing 120-150 tablets a day plus the diet but i guess if it works then it is worth it.

                                                                                           

                                                                                          Squash
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            No problem it took a bit of digging to find out where he sourced the pancreatic enzymes.

                                                                                            What i found interesting is that he advocates red meat at least once a day for melanoma patients and no or little leafy greens or citrus.

                                                                                            It is a strict regime with enemas everyday and swallowing 120-150 tablets a day plus the diet but i guess if it works then it is worth it.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Squash
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              No problem it took a bit of digging to find out where he sourced the pancreatic enzymes.

                                                                                              What i found interesting is that he advocates red meat at least once a day for melanoma patients and no or little leafy greens or citrus.

                                                                                              It is a strict regime with enemas everyday and swallowing 120-150 tablets a day plus the diet but i guess if it works then it is worth it.

                                                                                               

                                                                                              DZnDef
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Squash!  Thank you so much for posting that!  I'd been trying to figure out where he sourced his pancreatic enzymes.  I only knew they came from New Zealand.  Anyone that's interested in his theory on cancer and treating it can take a look at this article he wrote recently.

                                                                                                http://alternative-therapies.com/at/web_pdfs/S202Gonzalez.pdf

                                                                                                 

                                                                                                Squash
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  You need to do a bit more research. This guy has helped many cancer patients using the same methods that the late Dr Kelley used based primarily on pancreatic enzymes, detox and customised diets via your metabolic type.

                                                                                                  If you look at his site check out the documented case studies of diagnosed cancer patients. The proof of the pudding is in the eating as they say. He has three on there who had late stage melanoma who lived for many years and many other types of cancers as well.

                                                                                                  BTW You can buy the pancreatic enzymes from Nutricology as that is what he gives his patients.

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                   

                                                                                                  Cooper
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    I think this Dr. Gonzales is questionable.  Check this out:  

                                                                                                    The Total Fee for the initial evaluation (covering both sessions) is $4500. This also covers the time needed to design the protocol. The fee does not include the costs of any required blood tests. We have worked the cost of phone consultations into the initial fee and we encourage current patients to call with questions and problems.

                                                                                                    Cost of Supplements: The supplements are not sold in the office, but are available to our patients from a mail order source. The supplements are not available through health food stores or from sources on the Internet. The cost per month varies from patient to patient, but will run about $900 per month for a cancer patient, considerably less for patients with other types of illnesses.

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                     www.quackwatch.com

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                    Cooper
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      I think this Dr. Gonzales is questionable.  Check this out:  

                                                                                                      The Total Fee for the initial evaluation (covering both sessions) is $4500. This also covers the time needed to design the protocol. The fee does not include the costs of any required blood tests. We have worked the cost of phone consultations into the initial fee and we encourage current patients to call with questions and problems.

                                                                                                      Cost of Supplements: The supplements are not sold in the office, but are available to our patients from a mail order source. The supplements are not available through health food stores or from sources on the Internet. The cost per month varies from patient to patient, but will run about $900 per month for a cancer patient, considerably less for patients with other types of illnesses.

                                                                                                       

                                                                                                       www.quackwatch.com

                                                                                                       

                                                                                                    DZnDef
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Hi Artie – It's hard to say what exactly your weight loss is attributed to, but as a point of comparison, I also made dramatic changes to my diet after my diagnosis by eliminating sugar and grains and processed food but otherwise eating as much as I wanted (no calorie counting).  I also didn't exercise much.  In March of this year I weighed 155 lbs. and now I weigh 115 lbs.  When I graduated high school I weighed 110 lbs. so I tend to believe that by cutting out the junk, I am approaching my "normal" or "natural" weight.  I asked several of my doctors if they thought cachexia was playing a role and they all said no, it is more likely due to diet but to make sure I do not go below my high school weight.  I spent one weekend "cheating" recently and gained 2 pounds so I proved to myself that I can gain weight easily if I go back to eating junk.  

                                                                                                      Definitely mention it to your doctors and see what they think.  But your current weight does not sound too low for your height.

                                                                                                      Cheers

                                                                                                      DZnDef
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Hi Artie – It's hard to say what exactly your weight loss is attributed to, but as a point of comparison, I also made dramatic changes to my diet after my diagnosis by eliminating sugar and grains and processed food but otherwise eating as much as I wanted (no calorie counting).  I also didn't exercise much.  In March of this year I weighed 155 lbs. and now I weigh 115 lbs.  When I graduated high school I weighed 110 lbs. so I tend to believe that by cutting out the junk, I am approaching my "normal" or "natural" weight.  I asked several of my doctors if they thought cachexia was playing a role and they all said no, it is more likely due to diet but to make sure I do not go below my high school weight.  I spent one weekend "cheating" recently and gained 2 pounds so I proved to myself that I can gain weight easily if I go back to eating junk.  

                                                                                                        Definitely mention it to your doctors and see what they think.  But your current weight does not sound too low for your height.

                                                                                                        Cheers

                                                                                                        sweetaugust
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Hi Artie,

                                                                                                          When I got my stage 4 diagnosis, and started Keytruda, I changed my diet right away to be more organci fruits and veggies and no meat and dairy or refined sugers.  In that first month I lost 20 lbs.  Then in the next 5 months I lost another 20 lbs.  I wasn't trying to, it just happened.  I consider those 6 months the time that my body was truly fighting this disease.  After everything calmed down and the Keytruda was finally working on all of the cancer, then my weight stopped dropping and then I started gaining weight again.  So in the past year I have put 20 lbs back on. 

                                                                                                          That is just my experience and I have no idea if others have experienced the same sort of thing.  But maybe it helps to hear.  ๐Ÿ™‚

                                                                                                          All my best, Laurie

                                                                                                          sweetaugust
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Hi Artie,

                                                                                                            When I got my stage 4 diagnosis, and started Keytruda, I changed my diet right away to be more organci fruits and veggies and no meat and dairy or refined sugers.  In that first month I lost 20 lbs.  Then in the next 5 months I lost another 20 lbs.  I wasn't trying to, it just happened.  I consider those 6 months the time that my body was truly fighting this disease.  After everything calmed down and the Keytruda was finally working on all of the cancer, then my weight stopped dropping and then I started gaining weight again.  So in the past year I have put 20 lbs back on. 

                                                                                                            That is just my experience and I have no idea if others have experienced the same sort of thing.  But maybe it helps to hear.  ๐Ÿ™‚

                                                                                                            All my best, Laurie

                                                                                                            sweetaugust
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Hi Artie,

                                                                                                              When I got my stage 4 diagnosis, and started Keytruda, I changed my diet right away to be more organci fruits and veggies and no meat and dairy or refined sugers.  In that first month I lost 20 lbs.  Then in the next 5 months I lost another 20 lbs.  I wasn't trying to, it just happened.  I consider those 6 months the time that my body was truly fighting this disease.  After everything calmed down and the Keytruda was finally working on all of the cancer, then my weight stopped dropping and then I started gaining weight again.  So in the past year I have put 20 lbs back on. 

                                                                                                              That is just my experience and I have no idea if others have experienced the same sort of thing.  But maybe it helps to hear.  ๐Ÿ™‚

                                                                                                              All my best, Laurie

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