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Clark’s level newly diagnosed

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    KariSlaught
    Participant

      Hi,

       

      Hi,

       

      I'm a 43 year old female who was diagnosed with melanoma yesterday.  So far, I only have the pathology report from the biopsy that was done last week by a PA at a dermatologist's office.  The path report says Clark's level 4 but Breslow depth .29mm.   I have an appointment with a general surgeon next week to talk about scheduling surgery to remove surrounding tissue.  This mole was on my back and it was about .4 cm in size.  I'm thinking that I am safe because the Breslow depth is .29mm.  After researching online I found that Clark's level 4 isn't so great.  Any input would be appreciated.  I'm going to schedule an appointment at a melonoma clinic after I talk to the surgeon.  Can I determine my stage by the path report?  Regression reads not present, Ulceration reads not present and Dermal mitosis is not identified.  

      I will not be going back to the PA who did the biopsy or that office.  She called me and said I just needed follow up.  I'm not sure that she really knows what she is doing.  

      Thank you!

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        JC
        Participant

          Clark's level is an outdated way of describing how deep the melanoma cells have penetrated into the skin. It's something that a pathologist determines using a microscope. Clark's level  has nothing to do with the stage of the melanoma and is a poor predictor of your prognosis. 

          Try to ignore the Clark's level info– it really gives you no useful information.

          JC
          Participant

            Clark's level is an outdated way of describing how deep the melanoma cells have penetrated into the skin. It's something that a pathologist determines using a microscope. Clark's level  has nothing to do with the stage of the melanoma and is a poor predictor of your prognosis. 

            Try to ignore the Clark's level info– it really gives you no useful information.

            JC
            Participant

              Clark's level is an outdated way of describing how deep the melanoma cells have penetrated into the skin. It's something that a pathologist determines using a microscope. Clark's level  has nothing to do with the stage of the melanoma and is a poor predictor of your prognosis. 

              Try to ignore the Clark's level info– it really gives you no useful information.

              Janner
              Participant
                Clark’s level was found to be very subjective, so it is no longer used for staging except for stage 0. A .29mm lesion with no dermal mitosis is stage 1a. Very good prognosis.
                Janner
                Participant
                  Clark’s level was found to be very subjective, so it is no longer used for staging except for stage 0. A .29mm lesion with no dermal mitosis is stage 1a. Very good prognosis.
                  Janner
                  Participant
                    Clark’s level was found to be very subjective, so it is no longer used for staging except for stage 0. A .29mm lesion with no dermal mitosis is stage 1a. Very good prognosis.
                    JC
                    Participant

                      deep shave biopsies can get the whole lesion; your pathology report should either say margins are involved, or margins are clear, or extends close to the margins, etc. .   that's how you would know if the depth reported is all of it or if margins were involved. . .etc…

                      JC
                      Participant

                        deep shave biopsies can get the whole lesion; your pathology report should either say margins are involved, or margins are clear, or extends close to the margins, etc. .   that's how you would know if the depth reported is all of it or if margins were involved. . .etc…

                        JC
                        Participant

                          deep shave biopsies can get the whole lesion; your pathology report should either say margins are involved, or margins are clear, or extends close to the margins, etc. .   that's how you would know if the depth reported is all of it or if margins were involved. . .etc…

                          Janner
                          Participant

                            Most shave biopsies will get a .29mm depth lesion.  As the other poster stated, the path report would note if the deep margins were involved.  Dermal mitosis not present means it was not seen, not that it wasn't checked.  They don't just put stuff in the path report unless it is checked.  This is called out, and this is used in staging.  That means it was checked and found not to be present.  This means it is stage IA instead of stage IB.

                            This is still a very low risk lesion.  Nothing has changed. 

                            Janner
                            Participant

                              Most shave biopsies will get a .29mm depth lesion.  As the other poster stated, the path report would note if the deep margins were involved.  Dermal mitosis not present means it was not seen, not that it wasn't checked.  They don't just put stuff in the path report unless it is checked.  This is called out, and this is used in staging.  That means it was checked and found not to be present.  This means it is stage IA instead of stage IB.

                              This is still a very low risk lesion.  Nothing has changed. 

                              Janner
                              Participant

                                Most shave biopsies will get a .29mm depth lesion.  As the other poster stated, the path report would note if the deep margins were involved.  Dermal mitosis not present means it was not seen, not that it wasn't checked.  They don't just put stuff in the path report unless it is checked.  This is called out, and this is used in staging.  That means it was checked and found not to be present.  This means it is stage IA instead of stage IB.

                                This is still a very low risk lesion.  Nothing has changed. 

                                KariSlaught
                                Participant
                                  Great news! I’m going next week back to the doctor. After
                                  reading this blog I’m thinking I don’t need to have excision surgery
                                  if I am stage 1. Last week when I was first diagnosed one doctor
                                  told me that I should have excision surgery and have a lymph node
                                  mapping. If I do have lymph mapping and excision surgery, is this an
                                  in office procedure? I talked to a general surgeon last week and he was suggesting these things. This blog leads me to believe that
                                  I can do this surgery in a dermotigist’s office.
                                  Thanks you all are so helpful. I’m so great full that I found this site!
                                  KariSlaught
                                  Participant
                                    Great news! I’m going next week back to the doctor. After
                                    reading this blog I’m thinking I don’t need to have excision surgery
                                    if I am stage 1. Last week when I was first diagnosed one doctor
                                    told me that I should have excision surgery and have a lymph node
                                    mapping. If I do have lymph mapping and excision surgery, is this an
                                    in office procedure? I talked to a general surgeon last week and he was suggesting these things. This blog leads me to believe that
                                    I can do this surgery in a dermotigist’s office.
                                    Thanks you all are so helpful. I’m so great full that I found this site!
                                    KariSlaught
                                    Participant
                                      Great news! I’m going next week back to the doctor. After
                                      reading this blog I’m thinking I don’t need to have excision surgery
                                      if I am stage 1. Last week when I was first diagnosed one doctor
                                      told me that I should have excision surgery and have a lymph node
                                      mapping. If I do have lymph mapping and excision surgery, is this an
                                      in office procedure? I talked to a general surgeon last week and he was suggesting these things. This blog leads me to believe that
                                      I can do this surgery in a dermotigist’s office.
                                      Thanks you all are so helpful. I’m so great full that I found this site!
                                      KariSlaught
                                      Participant
                                        Great news! I’m going next week back to the doctor. After
                                        reading this blog I’m thinking I don’t need to have excision surgery
                                        if I am stage 1. Last week when I was first diagnosed one doctor
                                        told me that I should have excision surgery and have a lymph node
                                        mapping. If I do have lymph mapping and excision surgery, is this an
                                        in office procedure? I talked to a general surgeon last week and he was suggesting these things. This blog leads me to believe that
                                        I can do this surgery in a dermotigist’s office.
                                        Thanks you all are so helpful. I’m so great full that I found this site!
                                        KariSlaught
                                        Participant
                                          Great news! I’m going next week back to the doctor. After
                                          reading this blog I’m thinking I don’t need to have excision surgery
                                          if I am stage 1. Last week when I was first diagnosed one doctor
                                          told me that I should have excision surgery and have a lymph node
                                          mapping. If I do have lymph mapping and excision surgery, is this an
                                          in office procedure? I talked to a general surgeon last week and he was suggesting these things. This blog leads me to believe that
                                          I can do this surgery in a dermotigist’s office.
                                          Thanks you all are so helpful. I’m so great full that I found this site!
                                          KariSlaught
                                          Participant
                                            Great news! I’m going next week back to the doctor. After
                                            reading this blog I’m thinking I don’t need to have excision surgery
                                            if I am stage 1. Last week when I was first diagnosed one doctor
                                            told me that I should have excision surgery and have a lymph node
                                            mapping. If I do have lymph mapping and excision surgery, is this an
                                            in office procedure? I talked to a general surgeon last week and he was suggesting these things. This blog leads me to believe that
                                            I can do this surgery in a dermotigist’s office.
                                            Thanks you all are so helpful. I’m so great full that I found this site!
                                            Janner
                                            Participant

                                              You do not need the lymph node mapping.  That isn't done for stage IA.  It is a surgical procedure that would be done under general anesthesia in a hospital setting.  You DO need the wide excision.  This most often is an office procedure.  Surgical removal of melanoma is the best treatment.  A stage I lesion should have 1cm margins around the primary.  Your shave biopsy is unlikely to achieve 1cm margins.  Depending upon the dermatologist, they may or may not offer in house procedures.  I have had at least 8 WLEs (wide local excisions) and all of mine were done as office procedures.  However, others with the same type of lesions have had a surgical procedure.  I consider the WLE just an inconvenience done under a local.  I would not want one done in the hospital.  So if your derm won't do it, another derm or plastic surgeon might.  As long as you have no other serious health worries, there is no reason not to have it in an office setting.

                                              JC
                                              Participant

                                                0.29mm, Stage 1A. . I think it's usually 1cm margins, not 2cm, for the WLE.  I had a Stage 1A on my back, I did not get any skin graft.  The margins my surgeon took were 1cm. 

                                                KariSlaught
                                                Participant
                                                  Thanks all! I’m also concerned because the biopsy was shave biopsy. After reading some of the posts here, I’m thinking
                                                  that maybe the .29mm Breslow depth isn’t accurate now. The
                                                  path report says dermal mitosis isn’t present, so does that mean it wasn’t checked? Thank you.
                                                  KariSlaught
                                                  Participant
                                                    Thanks all! I’m also concerned because the biopsy was shave biopsy. After reading some of the posts here, I’m thinking
                                                    that maybe the .29mm Breslow depth isn’t accurate now. The
                                                    path report says dermal mitosis isn’t present, so does that mean it wasn’t checked? Thank you.
                                                    KariSlaught
                                                    Participant
                                                      Thanks all! I’m also concerned because the biopsy was shave biopsy. After reading some of the posts here, I’m thinking
                                                      that maybe the .29mm Breslow depth isn’t accurate now. The
                                                      path report says dermal mitosis isn’t present, so does that mean it wasn’t checked? Thank you.
                                                      KariSlaught
                                                      Participant
                                                        Thanks all! I’m also concerned because the biopsy was shave biopsy. After reading some of the posts here, I’m thinking
                                                        that maybe the .29mm Breslow depth isn’t accurate now. The
                                                        path report says dermal mitosis isn’t present, so does that mean it wasn’t checked? Thank you.
                                                        KariSlaught
                                                        Participant
                                                          Thanks all! I’m also concerned because the biopsy was shave biopsy. After reading some of the posts here, I’m thinking
                                                          that maybe the .29mm Breslow depth isn’t accurate now. The
                                                          path report says dermal mitosis isn’t present, so does that mean it wasn’t checked? Thank you.
                                                          KariSlaught
                                                          Participant
                                                            Thanks all! I’m also concerned because the biopsy was shave biopsy. After reading some of the posts here, I’m thinking
                                                            that maybe the .29mm Breslow depth isn’t accurate now. The
                                                            path report says dermal mitosis isn’t present, so does that mean it wasn’t checked? Thank you.
                                                            Janner
                                                            Participant

                                                              You do not need the lymph node mapping.  That isn't done for stage IA.  It is a surgical procedure that would be done under general anesthesia in a hospital setting.  You DO need the wide excision.  This most often is an office procedure.  Surgical removal of melanoma is the best treatment.  A stage I lesion should have 1cm margins around the primary.  Your shave biopsy is unlikely to achieve 1cm margins.  Depending upon the dermatologist, they may or may not offer in house procedures.  I have had at least 8 WLEs (wide local excisions) and all of mine were done as office procedures.  However, others with the same type of lesions have had a surgical procedure.  I consider the WLE just an inconvenience done under a local.  I would not want one done in the hospital.  So if your derm won't do it, another derm or plastic surgeon might.  As long as you have no other serious health worries, there is no reason not to have it in an office setting.

                                                              Janner
                                                              Participant

                                                                You do not need the lymph node mapping.  That isn't done for stage IA.  It is a surgical procedure that would be done under general anesthesia in a hospital setting.  You DO need the wide excision.  This most often is an office procedure.  Surgical removal of melanoma is the best treatment.  A stage I lesion should have 1cm margins around the primary.  Your shave biopsy is unlikely to achieve 1cm margins.  Depending upon the dermatologist, they may or may not offer in house procedures.  I have had at least 8 WLEs (wide local excisions) and all of mine were done as office procedures.  However, others with the same type of lesions have had a surgical procedure.  I consider the WLE just an inconvenience done under a local.  I would not want one done in the hospital.  So if your derm won't do it, another derm or plastic surgeon might.  As long as you have no other serious health worries, there is no reason not to have it in an office setting.

                                                                KariSlaught
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Hi!  Last week I went to another dermotologist to get some other suspicious moles on my back biopsied.  The original doctor that gave me the melanoma results was a PA and my general doctor suggested I go to a melanoma trained dermatologist.  The doctor that I met with last week wanted to have my original pathology report reevualed by a UCSF dermopatologist.  Just to be sure that my melanoma diagnoses was correct.  The orginal path report was done in Alabama and I live in California.  The PA that removed my mole uses this pathology company in Alabama.  Anyway, long confusing story.  I am now waitiing for the second opinion results from UCSF.  I'm assuming it will be the same diagnosis but the waiitng is hard.  I did go and see a surgeon last week as well.  He said that I would have to have 2cm borders cut around the melanoma and since it's on my back, a SKIN graft.  UGH!  That sounds a little excessive for a stage 1 melanoma?  I'm not sure if any of you had a melanoma on your back and because there isn't much skin back there, a skin graft had to be done.   I have 3 more moles that the dermotologist wants to biopsy and the surgeron told me that I should just leave them there.  He said it was "overkill" to cut all of these moles off.  UGH. This is so confusing.  Ironically, I work for a medical device company and train doctors on how to use a breast biopsy needle.  I travel for work weekly and I have all these trips to plan for my job.  I'm not sure if I can keep working through all of this or not.   A skin graft sounds like it will take a long time to heal. 

                                                                   

                                                                  Thanks! ๐Ÿ™‚

                                                                  KariSlaught
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Hi!  Last week I went to another dermotologist to get some other suspicious moles on my back biopsied.  The original doctor that gave me the melanoma results was a PA and my general doctor suggested I go to a melanoma trained dermatologist.  The doctor that I met with last week wanted to have my original pathology report reevualed by a UCSF dermopatologist.  Just to be sure that my melanoma diagnoses was correct.  The orginal path report was done in Alabama and I live in California.  The PA that removed my mole uses this pathology company in Alabama.  Anyway, long confusing story.  I am now waitiing for the second opinion results from UCSF.  I'm assuming it will be the same diagnosis but the waiitng is hard.  I did go and see a surgeon last week as well.  He said that I would have to have 2cm borders cut around the melanoma and since it's on my back, a SKIN graft.  UGH!  That sounds a little excessive for a stage 1 melanoma?  I'm not sure if any of you had a melanoma on your back and because there isn't much skin back there, a skin graft had to be done.   I have 3 more moles that the dermotologist wants to biopsy and the surgeron told me that I should just leave them there.  He said it was "overkill" to cut all of these moles off.  UGH. This is so confusing.  Ironically, I work for a medical device company and train doctors on how to use a breast biopsy needle.  I travel for work weekly and I have all these trips to plan for my job.  I'm not sure if I can keep working through all of this or not.   A skin graft sounds like it will take a long time to heal. 

                                                                     

                                                                    Thanks! ๐Ÿ™‚

                                                                    KariSlaught
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Hi!  Last week I went to another dermotologist to get some other suspicious moles on my back biopsied.  The original doctor that gave me the melanoma results was a PA and my general doctor suggested I go to a melanoma trained dermatologist.  The doctor that I met with last week wanted to have my original pathology report reevualed by a UCSF dermopatologist.  Just to be sure that my melanoma diagnoses was correct.  The orginal path report was done in Alabama and I live in California.  The PA that removed my mole uses this pathology company in Alabama.  Anyway, long confusing story.  I am now waitiing for the second opinion results from UCSF.  I'm assuming it will be the same diagnosis but the waiitng is hard.  I did go and see a surgeon last week as well.  He said that I would have to have 2cm borders cut around the melanoma and since it's on my back, a SKIN graft.  UGH!  That sounds a little excessive for a stage 1 melanoma?  I'm not sure if any of you had a melanoma on your back and because there isn't much skin back there, a skin graft had to be done.   I have 3 more moles that the dermotologist wants to biopsy and the surgeron told me that I should just leave them there.  He said it was "overkill" to cut all of these moles off.  UGH. This is so confusing.  Ironically, I work for a medical device company and train doctors on how to use a breast biopsy needle.  I travel for work weekly and I have all these trips to plan for my job.  I'm not sure if I can keep working through all of this or not.   A skin graft sounds like it will take a long time to heal. 

                                                                       

                                                                      Thanks! ๐Ÿ™‚

                                                                      JC
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        0.29mm, Stage 1A. . I think it's usually 1cm margins, not 2cm, for the WLE.  I had a Stage 1A on my back, I did not get any skin graft.  The margins my surgeon took were 1cm. 

                                                                        JC
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          0.29mm, Stage 1A. . I think it's usually 1cm margins, not 2cm, for the WLE.  I had a Stage 1A on my back, I did not get any skin graft.  The margins my surgeon took were 1cm. 

                                                                          KariSlaught
                                                                          Participant
                                                                            Hi, I wanted to update you all since you have been
                                                                            so helpful. My current dermatologist wanted a second opinion on
                                                                            my original path report. We are still waiting for the lesion
                                                                            to arrive 10 days later. Yesterday they told me that since there were
                                                                            two lesions cut off of me one at my arm and one at my back. They
                                                                            are having trouble determining the site location from
                                                                            the pathology report, therefore they may have to do
                                                                            two surgeries because they can’t be sure where the positive
                                                                            lesion is from. There is a possibility that the specimens were
                                                                            labeled wrong.

                                                                            This is very frustrating to say the least.

                                                                            KariSlaught
                                                                            Participant
                                                                              Hi, I wanted to update you all since you have been
                                                                              so helpful. My current dermatologist wanted a second opinion on
                                                                              my original path report. We are still waiting for the lesion
                                                                              to arrive 10 days later. Yesterday they told me that since there were
                                                                              two lesions cut off of me one at my arm and one at my back. They
                                                                              are having trouble determining the site location from
                                                                              the pathology report, therefore they may have to do
                                                                              two surgeries because they can’t be sure where the positive
                                                                              lesion is from. There is a possibility that the specimens were
                                                                              labeled wrong.

                                                                              This is very frustrating to say the least.

                                                                              KariSlaught
                                                                              Participant
                                                                                Hi, I wanted to update you all since you have been
                                                                                so helpful. My current dermatologist wanted a second opinion on
                                                                                my original path report. We are still waiting for the lesion
                                                                                to arrive 10 days later. Yesterday they told me that since there were
                                                                                two lesions cut off of me one at my arm and one at my back. They
                                                                                are having trouble determining the site location from
                                                                                the pathology report, therefore they may have to do
                                                                                two surgeries because they can’t be sure where the positive
                                                                                lesion is from. There is a possibility that the specimens were
                                                                                labeled wrong.

                                                                                This is very frustrating to say the least.

                                                                                KariSlaught
                                                                                Participant
                                                                                  Hi, I wanted to update you all since you have been
                                                                                  so helpful. My current dermatologist wanted a second opinion on
                                                                                  my original path report. We are still waiting for the lesion
                                                                                  to arrive 10 days later. Yesterday they told me that since there were
                                                                                  two lesions cut off of me one at my arm and one at my back. They
                                                                                  are having trouble determining the site location from
                                                                                  the pathology report, therefore they may have to do
                                                                                  two surgeries because they can’t be sure where the positive
                                                                                  lesion is from. There is a possibility that the specimens were
                                                                                  labeled wrong.

                                                                                  This is very frustrating to say the least.

                                                                                  KariSlaught
                                                                                  Participant
                                                                                    Hi, I wanted to update you all since you have been
                                                                                    so helpful. My current dermatologist wanted a second opinion on
                                                                                    my original path report. We are still waiting for the lesion
                                                                                    to arrive 10 days later. Yesterday they told me that since there were
                                                                                    two lesions cut off of me one at my arm and one at my back. They
                                                                                    are having trouble determining the site location from
                                                                                    the pathology report, therefore they may have to do
                                                                                    two surgeries because they can’t be sure where the positive
                                                                                    lesion is from. There is a possibility that the specimens were
                                                                                    labeled wrong.

                                                                                    This is very frustrating to say the least.

                                                                                    KariSlaught
                                                                                    Participant
                                                                                      Hi, I wanted to update you all since you have been
                                                                                      so helpful. My current dermatologist wanted a second opinion on
                                                                                      my original path report. We are still waiting for the lesion
                                                                                      to arrive 10 days later. Yesterday they told me that since there were
                                                                                      two lesions cut off of me one at my arm and one at my back. They
                                                                                      are having trouble determining the site location from
                                                                                      the pathology report, therefore they may have to do
                                                                                      two surgeries because they can’t be sure where the positive
                                                                                      lesion is from. There is a possibility that the specimens were
                                                                                      labeled wrong.

                                                                                      This is very frustrating to say the least.

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