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    arthurjedi007
    Participant

      Thank you everyone for all the support and concern.

      The surgery on my spine is not possible due to the blood vessel supplying the tumor also supplies my spinal cord. They say I'm a hairs breath away from being paralyzed from the T10 on down. The spinal cord is being compressed by that T10 where if it happened suddenly to someone they would be paralyzed but for me it has been slow so I can still walk.

      However that is how it was last June when they did radiation.

      Thus my delima. Since they did radiation to that tumor that means the genes have changed right? Thus these targeted gene methods of zelboraf, tafinlar, mekinist will probably not work. Right? I think I need an anitbody drug conjugate or something specifically for my radiated T10 and hope it works fast now that the radiation has worn off. Right?

      I believe ipi was working slowly although my Dr said no but they gave me steroids in the hospital for inflamation so now the ipi is gone and I can feel the tumor pulsing like it did last June.

      My Dr says take the tafinlar/mekinist but he says it will probably not work. Oh and keep taking the steroids because once you start you can't just stop them. So not much help from my Dr.

      I'm very weak after being in that hospital. I'm trying to get strong again but they almost killed me there. I was going to get to Sarah Cannon in Nashville Thursday but I reschuled cause of the surgery which is not happening anymore so I dunno what I can do.

      I still think the key is the radiation to the tumor changed the genes thus the generic meds will not work but I dunno.

       

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        Bleeds
        Participant

          Hi Arthur, 

          So sorry for all you have gone through. Three years ago a friend of mine had a similar diagnosis. He was diagnosed with stage 4 and it was in his brain, bones and stomach. He also had a tumor on his sphine a little higher up. He ended up going to Sloan Kettering and had radiation as they could not operate, with little help. He then went to Dr. Brendan Curtis who did a combination of radiation and IL2 as a clinical trial. He has been cancer free since and feels great. Here is the docs web site. 

          http://oregon.providence.org/physician-directory/c/curti-brendan/

          I'm thinking of trying this out too, but I have CLL which posses a problem.

          Of course, everyone is a different case and responds differently to treatments. I am not sure if you can even get to Oregon but maybe they are doing the same thing close to you.

          Also, steroids (prednisone) can be tapered down. What dosage are you at right now and how long have you been on it? Usually, you taper by 10mg each week. So, if your at 30mg you go down to 20 the first week then 10, then 5 and then .25 for one more week. 

           

          Good luck with all… Stay positive and keep on fighting. 

           

          Bleeds
          Participant

            Hi Arthur, 

            So sorry for all you have gone through. Three years ago a friend of mine had a similar diagnosis. He was diagnosed with stage 4 and it was in his brain, bones and stomach. He also had a tumor on his sphine a little higher up. He ended up going to Sloan Kettering and had radiation as they could not operate, with little help. He then went to Dr. Brendan Curtis who did a combination of radiation and IL2 as a clinical trial. He has been cancer free since and feels great. Here is the docs web site. 

            http://oregon.providence.org/physician-directory/c/curti-brendan/

            I'm thinking of trying this out too, but I have CLL which posses a problem.

            Of course, everyone is a different case and responds differently to treatments. I am not sure if you can even get to Oregon but maybe they are doing the same thing close to you.

            Also, steroids (prednisone) can be tapered down. What dosage are you at right now and how long have you been on it? Usually, you taper by 10mg each week. So, if your at 30mg you go down to 20 the first week then 10, then 5 and then .25 for one more week. 

             

            Good luck with all… Stay positive and keep on fighting. 

             

            Bleeds
            Participant

              Hi Arthur, 

              So sorry for all you have gone through. Three years ago a friend of mine had a similar diagnosis. He was diagnosed with stage 4 and it was in his brain, bones and stomach. He also had a tumor on his sphine a little higher up. He ended up going to Sloan Kettering and had radiation as they could not operate, with little help. He then went to Dr. Brendan Curtis who did a combination of radiation and IL2 as a clinical trial. He has been cancer free since and feels great. Here is the docs web site. 

              http://oregon.providence.org/physician-directory/c/curti-brendan/

              I'm thinking of trying this out too, but I have CLL which posses a problem.

              Of course, everyone is a different case and responds differently to treatments. I am not sure if you can even get to Oregon but maybe they are doing the same thing close to you.

              Also, steroids (prednisone) can be tapered down. What dosage are you at right now and how long have you been on it? Usually, you taper by 10mg each week. So, if your at 30mg you go down to 20 the first week then 10, then 5 and then .25 for one more week. 

               

              Good luck with all… Stay positive and keep on fighting. 

               

              Bleeds
              Participant

                Oh yes, my friend said it was the worst experience in his life going through the treatment but if you can come out like he did then!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                Bleeds
                Participant

                  Oh yes, my friend said it was the worst experience in his life going through the treatment but if you can come out like he did then!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  Bleeds
                  Participant

                    Oh yes, my friend said it was the worst experience in his life going through the treatment but if you can come out like he did then!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    BrianP
                    Participant

                      Artie,

                      So sorry to hear your new plight.  I'll be praying for you.  The first thing I thought of as I was reading your post was Sarah Canon ADC treatment with Dr. Infante so I was happy to hear you have already started that process.  I will also say that I have a friend I've met through my battle with mel whose husband was treated by Dr. Curti.  They absolutely loved him.  He is doing some pretty neat stuff that really hasn't gotten a whole lot of publicity.  Hang in there.

                      Brian

                      BrianP
                      Participant

                        Artie,

                        So sorry to hear your new plight.  I'll be praying for you.  The first thing I thought of as I was reading your post was Sarah Canon ADC treatment with Dr. Infante so I was happy to hear you have already started that process.  I will also say that I have a friend I've met through my battle with mel whose husband was treated by Dr. Curti.  They absolutely loved him.  He is doing some pretty neat stuff that really hasn't gotten a whole lot of publicity.  Hang in there.

                        Brian

                        BrianP
                        Participant

                          Artie,

                          So sorry to hear your new plight.  I'll be praying for you.  The first thing I thought of as I was reading your post was Sarah Canon ADC treatment with Dr. Infante so I was happy to hear you have already started that process.  I will also say that I have a friend I've met through my battle with mel whose husband was treated by Dr. Curti.  They absolutely loved him.  He is doing some pretty neat stuff that really hasn't gotten a whole lot of publicity.  Hang in there.

                          Brian

                          POW
                          Participant

                            Artie, first I would like to say "Thank you" for asking your college "Sistah" to provide us with periodic updates. That was extremely considerate of you– I know that a lot of people here were thinking about you and praying for you every day. Getting the updates was very helpful.

                            Given the precariousness of your condition and the devastating news you just got regarding your T10 surgery, I can't believe that you are already back here with your head on straight looking for advice and information about your next steps. Talk about gutsy!! Good for you! You are one heck of a warrior, man!

                            As for your specific questions… No, radiation therapy will not eliminate or alter the BRAF mutation in your melanoma tumors. I know that we are all taught from infancy that radioactivity is dangerous because it damages and mutates DNA. But really, the chances of any one cell being damaged is very, very slight and the chances of the radiation actually changing a BRAF V600E mutation in one melanoma cell is practically impossible. To change a V600E mutation in all melanoma cells is impossible. Furthermore, many patients have had radiation (especially WBR or SRS to the brain) and subsequently had good success with BRAF inhibitors. So radiotherapy does not adversely effect the tumor's response to BRAF inhibitors. 

                            That being so, I think that for now you should follow your oncologist's advice. Try the Tafinlar + Mekinist combo. Of all the treatments out there, it has the best chance of working quickly and with minimal side effects. Studies have shown that even people who became resistant to Zelboraf are able to respond well to Tafinlar + MEK. Not all of them, of course (like everything else melanoma) but a good response after failing Zelboraf is not uncommon. You should see results from the combo in 2 or 3 weeks; just about everything else takes at least 2 or 3 months. 

                            Yes, most people do become resistant to Tafinlar + MEK eventually. But right now you are trying to get your tumors under control, ease your pain and buy yourself some time to investigate other, more long-term optons. And, of course, your doctors will still need some way to stabilize your T10 vertebra. They probably need time to figure that one out, too.

                            Contrary to expectations, experience has shown that taking steroids does not stop ipi from working. Steroids do, however, make you feel crappy, screw up your blood sugar and cause weakness and atrophy in your lower limbs. If you stop taking steroids "cold turkey" you can get into all kinds of trouble. But they can be tapered down slowly without adverse effects. Listen to your doctor; take the steroids you need to control your symptoms. But know that the ipi is still working for you and your doctor will have you taper off the steroids once it is medicallly safe. Then you will probably feel a lot better and quickly regain your strength.

                            Hang onto your PMA! The Tafinlar + MEK will work for you! Your doctors will find a way to stabilize your vertebra! You will be able to taper off the steroids! And before you know it you will be feeling much better and be able to travel– to Sarah Cannon or wherever your heart desires. 

                            POW
                            Participant

                              Artie, first I would like to say "Thank you" for asking your college "Sistah" to provide us with periodic updates. That was extremely considerate of you– I know that a lot of people here were thinking about you and praying for you every day. Getting the updates was very helpful.

                              Given the precariousness of your condition and the devastating news you just got regarding your T10 surgery, I can't believe that you are already back here with your head on straight looking for advice and information about your next steps. Talk about gutsy!! Good for you! You are one heck of a warrior, man!

                              As for your specific questions… No, radiation therapy will not eliminate or alter the BRAF mutation in your melanoma tumors. I know that we are all taught from infancy that radioactivity is dangerous because it damages and mutates DNA. But really, the chances of any one cell being damaged is very, very slight and the chances of the radiation actually changing a BRAF V600E mutation in one melanoma cell is practically impossible. To change a V600E mutation in all melanoma cells is impossible. Furthermore, many patients have had radiation (especially WBR or SRS to the brain) and subsequently had good success with BRAF inhibitors. So radiotherapy does not adversely effect the tumor's response to BRAF inhibitors. 

                              That being so, I think that for now you should follow your oncologist's advice. Try the Tafinlar + Mekinist combo. Of all the treatments out there, it has the best chance of working quickly and with minimal side effects. Studies have shown that even people who became resistant to Zelboraf are able to respond well to Tafinlar + MEK. Not all of them, of course (like everything else melanoma) but a good response after failing Zelboraf is not uncommon. You should see results from the combo in 2 or 3 weeks; just about everything else takes at least 2 or 3 months. 

                              Yes, most people do become resistant to Tafinlar + MEK eventually. But right now you are trying to get your tumors under control, ease your pain and buy yourself some time to investigate other, more long-term optons. And, of course, your doctors will still need some way to stabilize your T10 vertebra. They probably need time to figure that one out, too.

                              Contrary to expectations, experience has shown that taking steroids does not stop ipi from working. Steroids do, however, make you feel crappy, screw up your blood sugar and cause weakness and atrophy in your lower limbs. If you stop taking steroids "cold turkey" you can get into all kinds of trouble. But they can be tapered down slowly without adverse effects. Listen to your doctor; take the steroids you need to control your symptoms. But know that the ipi is still working for you and your doctor will have you taper off the steroids once it is medicallly safe. Then you will probably feel a lot better and quickly regain your strength.

                              Hang onto your PMA! The Tafinlar + MEK will work for you! Your doctors will find a way to stabilize your vertebra! You will be able to taper off the steroids! And before you know it you will be feeling much better and be able to travel– to Sarah Cannon or wherever your heart desires. 

                              POW
                              Participant

                                Artie, first I would like to say "Thank you" for asking your college "Sistah" to provide us with periodic updates. That was extremely considerate of you– I know that a lot of people here were thinking about you and praying for you every day. Getting the updates was very helpful.

                                Given the precariousness of your condition and the devastating news you just got regarding your T10 surgery, I can't believe that you are already back here with your head on straight looking for advice and information about your next steps. Talk about gutsy!! Good for you! You are one heck of a warrior, man!

                                As for your specific questions… No, radiation therapy will not eliminate or alter the BRAF mutation in your melanoma tumors. I know that we are all taught from infancy that radioactivity is dangerous because it damages and mutates DNA. But really, the chances of any one cell being damaged is very, very slight and the chances of the radiation actually changing a BRAF V600E mutation in one melanoma cell is practically impossible. To change a V600E mutation in all melanoma cells is impossible. Furthermore, many patients have had radiation (especially WBR or SRS to the brain) and subsequently had good success with BRAF inhibitors. So radiotherapy does not adversely effect the tumor's response to BRAF inhibitors. 

                                That being so, I think that for now you should follow your oncologist's advice. Try the Tafinlar + Mekinist combo. Of all the treatments out there, it has the best chance of working quickly and with minimal side effects. Studies have shown that even people who became resistant to Zelboraf are able to respond well to Tafinlar + MEK. Not all of them, of course (like everything else melanoma) but a good response after failing Zelboraf is not uncommon. You should see results from the combo in 2 or 3 weeks; just about everything else takes at least 2 or 3 months. 

                                Yes, most people do become resistant to Tafinlar + MEK eventually. But right now you are trying to get your tumors under control, ease your pain and buy yourself some time to investigate other, more long-term optons. And, of course, your doctors will still need some way to stabilize your T10 vertebra. They probably need time to figure that one out, too.

                                Contrary to expectations, experience has shown that taking steroids does not stop ipi from working. Steroids do, however, make you feel crappy, screw up your blood sugar and cause weakness and atrophy in your lower limbs. If you stop taking steroids "cold turkey" you can get into all kinds of trouble. But they can be tapered down slowly without adverse effects. Listen to your doctor; take the steroids you need to control your symptoms. But know that the ipi is still working for you and your doctor will have you taper off the steroids once it is medicallly safe. Then you will probably feel a lot better and quickly regain your strength.

                                Hang onto your PMA! The Tafinlar + MEK will work for you! Your doctors will find a way to stabilize your vertebra! You will be able to taper off the steroids! And before you know it you will be feeling much better and be able to travel– to Sarah Cannon or wherever your heart desires. 

                                  POW
                                  Participant

                                    Artie, the advice I gave you suggesting that you try the Tafinlar + MEK inhibitor assumed that you are not able to travel. After all, if your T10 is hanging on by a thread, I assumed that you need to stay as quiet as possible. But if my assumption is wrong– if you are able to travel– I suggest that you make an appointment to see Dr. Adil Daud at UCSF as soon as possible.

                                    Dr. Daud is very well-known in the field of melanoma and I have heard many patients here speak highly of him. He is a co-author on the citation I sent you a couple of days ago about using cabozantinib (trade name Cometriq) to treat bone mets, including melanoma. Then just now, BrianP posted a link to a news report about Dr. Daud using an electric shock to get IL-2 directly into melanoma tumors with very good results (on only a few patients, though). Perhaps he could use that technique on your T10 tumor. I'm not superstitious, but when I see the same doctor's name twice in one day experimenting with novel techniques that might be appropriate for you, I sit up and pay attention. 

                                    So I revise my advice to be: if you can not travel, try the Tafinlar + MEK. If you can travel,  call Dr. Daud and see what he has to suggest. His contact info is: 

                                     

                                    Adil I. Daud, M.D.

                                    Co-Director, UCSF Melanoma Center

                                    1600 Divisadero St., Fourth Floor

                                    San Francisco, CA 94115

                                    Appointments: (415) 353-9900

                                    Fax: (415) 885-3802

                                     

                                    Office: 415-353-7392

                                     

                                     

                                    [email protected]

                                    POW
                                    Participant

                                      Artie, the advice I gave you suggesting that you try the Tafinlar + MEK inhibitor assumed that you are not able to travel. After all, if your T10 is hanging on by a thread, I assumed that you need to stay as quiet as possible. But if my assumption is wrong– if you are able to travel– I suggest that you make an appointment to see Dr. Adil Daud at UCSF as soon as possible.

                                      Dr. Daud is very well-known in the field of melanoma and I have heard many patients here speak highly of him. He is a co-author on the citation I sent you a couple of days ago about using cabozantinib (trade name Cometriq) to treat bone mets, including melanoma. Then just now, BrianP posted a link to a news report about Dr. Daud using an electric shock to get IL-2 directly into melanoma tumors with very good results (on only a few patients, though). Perhaps he could use that technique on your T10 tumor. I'm not superstitious, but when I see the same doctor's name twice in one day experimenting with novel techniques that might be appropriate for you, I sit up and pay attention. 

                                      So I revise my advice to be: if you can not travel, try the Tafinlar + MEK. If you can travel,  call Dr. Daud and see what he has to suggest. His contact info is: 

                                       

                                      Adil I. Daud, M.D.

                                      Co-Director, UCSF Melanoma Center

                                      1600 Divisadero St., Fourth Floor

                                      San Francisco, CA 94115

                                      Appointments: (415) 353-9900

                                      Fax: (415) 885-3802

                                       

                                      Office: 415-353-7392

                                       

                                       

                                      [email protected]

                                      POW
                                      Participant

                                        Artie, the advice I gave you suggesting that you try the Tafinlar + MEK inhibitor assumed that you are not able to travel. After all, if your T10 is hanging on by a thread, I assumed that you need to stay as quiet as possible. But if my assumption is wrong– if you are able to travel– I suggest that you make an appointment to see Dr. Adil Daud at UCSF as soon as possible.

                                        Dr. Daud is very well-known in the field of melanoma and I have heard many patients here speak highly of him. He is a co-author on the citation I sent you a couple of days ago about using cabozantinib (trade name Cometriq) to treat bone mets, including melanoma. Then just now, BrianP posted a link to a news report about Dr. Daud using an electric shock to get IL-2 directly into melanoma tumors with very good results (on only a few patients, though). Perhaps he could use that technique on your T10 tumor. I'm not superstitious, but when I see the same doctor's name twice in one day experimenting with novel techniques that might be appropriate for you, I sit up and pay attention. 

                                        So I revise my advice to be: if you can not travel, try the Tafinlar + MEK. If you can travel,  call Dr. Daud and see what he has to suggest. His contact info is: 

                                         

                                        Adil I. Daud, M.D.

                                        Co-Director, UCSF Melanoma Center

                                        1600 Divisadero St., Fourth Floor

                                        San Francisco, CA 94115

                                        Appointments: (415) 353-9900

                                        Fax: (415) 885-3802

                                         

                                        Office: 415-353-7392

                                         

                                         

                                        [email protected]

                                        arthurjedi007
                                        Participant

                                          Thank you everyone. The steroids was 4mg dose 4 times a day. I took 72 mg in 5 days. I had none yesterday or today so far though. But I'm feeling better. Still feel a little crappy but I walked about 15 minutes today so far. By bp, pulse, temp are all fine. Not really much pain.

                                          I need to shrink this tumor rapidly somehow. Mentally I think I could make a trip but even with my new brace that would probably cause the paralysis.

                                          So I think my best bet is to rest here at home getting stronger and hoping the taf/mek combo shrinks it and doesn't weaken me like zelboraf did. Not sure if I'll start it today or when but soon.

                                          Also I'm putting in a call to my Dr to see if the combo doesn't work and I'm still not paralyzed if he's willing to try the electro/IL2 or radiation/IL2 to stimulate rapid tumor shrinkage.

                                          I just hope this is the right decision. I believe it is the best I can do with what I have as options.

                                          So here's hoping for the best. I really wish I had a better option but at least there are options so that's good. I know I can beat this mel if I can just keep from being paralyzed.

                                          arthurjedi007
                                          Participant

                                            Thank you everyone. The steroids was 4mg dose 4 times a day. I took 72 mg in 5 days. I had none yesterday or today so far though. But I'm feeling better. Still feel a little crappy but I walked about 15 minutes today so far. By bp, pulse, temp are all fine. Not really much pain.

                                            I need to shrink this tumor rapidly somehow. Mentally I think I could make a trip but even with my new brace that would probably cause the paralysis.

                                            So I think my best bet is to rest here at home getting stronger and hoping the taf/mek combo shrinks it and doesn't weaken me like zelboraf did. Not sure if I'll start it today or when but soon.

                                            Also I'm putting in a call to my Dr to see if the combo doesn't work and I'm still not paralyzed if he's willing to try the electro/IL2 or radiation/IL2 to stimulate rapid tumor shrinkage.

                                            I just hope this is the right decision. I believe it is the best I can do with what I have as options.

                                            So here's hoping for the best. I really wish I had a better option but at least there are options so that's good. I know I can beat this mel if I can just keep from being paralyzed.

                                            arthurjedi007
                                            Participant

                                              Thank you everyone. The steroids was 4mg dose 4 times a day. I took 72 mg in 5 days. I had none yesterday or today so far though. But I'm feeling better. Still feel a little crappy but I walked about 15 minutes today so far. By bp, pulse, temp are all fine. Not really much pain.

                                              I need to shrink this tumor rapidly somehow. Mentally I think I could make a trip but even with my new brace that would probably cause the paralysis.

                                              So I think my best bet is to rest here at home getting stronger and hoping the taf/mek combo shrinks it and doesn't weaken me like zelboraf did. Not sure if I'll start it today or when but soon.

                                              Also I'm putting in a call to my Dr to see if the combo doesn't work and I'm still not paralyzed if he's willing to try the electro/IL2 or radiation/IL2 to stimulate rapid tumor shrinkage.

                                              I just hope this is the right decision. I believe it is the best I can do with what I have as options.

                                              So here's hoping for the best. I really wish I had a better option but at least there are options so that's good. I know I can beat this mel if I can just keep from being paralyzed.

                                              Mat
                                              Participant

                                                Artie, thanks for keeping us informed.  There is no "right decision".  You do the best you can under the circumstances–just like you're doing.

                                                Mat
                                                Participant

                                                  Artie, thanks for keeping us informed.  There is no "right decision".  You do the best you can under the circumstances–just like you're doing.

                                                  Mat
                                                  Participant

                                                    Artie, thanks for keeping us informed.  There is no "right decision".  You do the best you can under the circumstances–just like you're doing.

                                                    arthurjedi007
                                                    Participant

                                                      Thank you. I did check on that Dr Daub nice quick tumor shrink. However his assistant did not believe it would be for me. That is because 12000 volts so close to the spinal cord would be too risky. That much current would probably cause me paralysys anyway. I thought it was very great of them to be so upfront. They must be good Drs there.

                                                      arthurjedi007
                                                      Participant

                                                        Thank you. I did check on that Dr Daub nice quick tumor shrink. However his assistant did not believe it would be for me. That is because 12000 volts so close to the spinal cord would be too risky. That much current would probably cause me paralysys anyway. I thought it was very great of them to be so upfront. They must be good Drs there.

                                                        arthurjedi007
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thank you. I did check on that Dr Daub nice quick tumor shrink. However his assistant did not believe it would be for me. That is because 12000 volts so close to the spinal cord would be too risky. That much current would probably cause me paralysys anyway. I thought it was very great of them to be so upfront. They must be good Drs there.

                                                          POW
                                                          Participant

                                                            Artie, I think that you made a good choice. I have a lot of faith in the BRAF+MEK combo.

                                                            If you haven't seen it yet, you should read the update MattF posted today about the combo and bone mets. You can view it here: http://www.melanoma.org/find-support/patient-community/mpip-melanoma-patients-information-page/1st-petct-starting-

                                                             

                                                            POW
                                                            Participant

                                                              Artie, I think that you made a good choice. I have a lot of faith in the BRAF+MEK combo.

                                                              If you haven't seen it yet, you should read the update MattF posted today about the combo and bone mets. You can view it here: http://www.melanoma.org/find-support/patient-community/mpip-melanoma-patients-information-page/1st-petct-starting-

                                                               

                                                              POW
                                                              Participant

                                                                Artie, I think that you made a good choice. I have a lot of faith in the BRAF+MEK combo.

                                                                If you haven't seen it yet, you should read the update MattF posted today about the combo and bone mets. You can view it here: http://www.melanoma.org/find-support/patient-community/mpip-melanoma-patients-information-page/1st-petct-starting-

                                                                 

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