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- March 22, 2016 at 7:50 pm
Hi All,
Quick backstory: first time at the dermo late last year for a mole that my family thought looked weird. Doctor decided to shave biopsy that one and another one. The first one was normal, but the other one ended up being stage 1b, .75mm melanoma. Follow up WLE got clear margins. Went back in a few weeks later for the full scan, was told "you have a lot of strange moles." Identified a handful to watch, 3 of which got shave biopsied soon after, and all three came back normal.
I had my 3 month check today. After a full scan the doctor identified three more that she thought were worth getting biopsied. Two on my right leg (outside of knee and uppper thigh) and yet another one on my back (that will be 5 total on my back, its probably 7 inches from the original melanoma).
As it stands the plan is to shave biopsy the three. It sounded like the doctor wasn't totally ruling out, however, going straight to a full local excision of one or more. I guess the third option is to wait another three months. The one on my knee maybe might have changed/grown a little from last time, but it could also just be a measurement margin of error.
So, in your experience and opinions, what would you do next? Anyone been in a similar situation? I'm not averse to any of the procedures or scars, those are preferable to the potential alternatives. I'm leaning toward the shave biopsy as it's somewhere in between the other two extremes, and my doctor seems to think that's a good plan. If they are all clear, great, done for now, I've got some new tiny scars that I'll forget about. If not, then we go from there. However, are there benefits to getting them fully excised right away, aside from the potential of having to go back and do that anyway?
Thanks!
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- March 22, 2016 at 9:00 pm
Sorry, meant to also ask … what's next? It is it reasonable to just continue to shave these guys off and see what's in there? If I have, say, 10 moles that look somewhat suspicious, but have had 8 biopsied and only one was melanoma … does that mean anything? Does taking further diagnostic steps make any sense, or is that excessive at this point? The doctor did do an abdominal and lymph node palpation exam and said both felt normal.
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- March 22, 2016 at 9:00 pm
Sorry, meant to also ask … what's next? It is it reasonable to just continue to shave these guys off and see what's in there? If I have, say, 10 moles that look somewhat suspicious, but have had 8 biopsied and only one was melanoma … does that mean anything? Does taking further diagnostic steps make any sense, or is that excessive at this point? The doctor did do an abdominal and lymph node palpation exam and said both felt normal.
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- March 22, 2016 at 9:42 pm
This is why we use photographs to watch for change. If the lesions are stable, there is no reason to biopsy. Yes, you could have them removed if you want to, but melanoma shows up on new lesions about 50% of the time. So removing existing moles is not the most effective. 90% of the melanoma population never have another melanoma primary – one is it. You get to decide on what makes YOU feel comfortable. Truthfully, I do the driving with my mel derm. I've had 3 primaries and I expect to be the one to find any new ones. My derm uses pics and I use my gut feel and own observation to determine if something has changed. If a lesion is stable, though, I don't biopsy. I don't have a ton of moles but the ones I do have we know would have atypical features if biopsied. Bottom line is – do what makes YOU comfortable. Not your derm, not anyone else. This is your call.
Shave versus excision…. shaves have the problem that they might not go deep enough. Staging can be compromised if a melanoma lesion is bisected. Full excisions are fine, but wide excisons have the possibility of removing too much tissue making a SNB, if needed later, suspect. The SNB relies on lymph drainage paths showing the correct path to the sentinel node. If you remove too much skin in the biopsy/excision, it is possible that the SNB could be compromised. New drainage paths may be formed based on removing the tissue. So it's a bit of a fine line with no absolute best choice. I often chose a punch biopsy because it was a full skin thickness biopsy. I wouldn't compromise on depth. But punches have the problem of not being overly big. 8mm may be the largest and larger lesion may not be fully removed via a punch. I personally do not allow shave biopsies – one for the reason I specified above, I might lose staging information if the shave was shallow and a melanoma deeper. But #2 is that I think shave hurt more and heal worse than any other type of biopsy. Your mileage may vary.
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- March 22, 2016 at 9:42 pm
This is why we use photographs to watch for change. If the lesions are stable, there is no reason to biopsy. Yes, you could have them removed if you want to, but melanoma shows up on new lesions about 50% of the time. So removing existing moles is not the most effective. 90% of the melanoma population never have another melanoma primary – one is it. You get to decide on what makes YOU feel comfortable. Truthfully, I do the driving with my mel derm. I've had 3 primaries and I expect to be the one to find any new ones. My derm uses pics and I use my gut feel and own observation to determine if something has changed. If a lesion is stable, though, I don't biopsy. I don't have a ton of moles but the ones I do have we know would have atypical features if biopsied. Bottom line is – do what makes YOU comfortable. Not your derm, not anyone else. This is your call.
Shave versus excision…. shaves have the problem that they might not go deep enough. Staging can be compromised if a melanoma lesion is bisected. Full excisions are fine, but wide excisons have the possibility of removing too much tissue making a SNB, if needed later, suspect. The SNB relies on lymph drainage paths showing the correct path to the sentinel node. If you remove too much skin in the biopsy/excision, it is possible that the SNB could be compromised. New drainage paths may be formed based on removing the tissue. So it's a bit of a fine line with no absolute best choice. I often chose a punch biopsy because it was a full skin thickness biopsy. I wouldn't compromise on depth. But punches have the problem of not being overly big. 8mm may be the largest and larger lesion may not be fully removed via a punch. I personally do not allow shave biopsies – one for the reason I specified above, I might lose staging information if the shave was shallow and a melanoma deeper. But #2 is that I think shave hurt more and heal worse than any other type of biopsy. Your mileage may vary.
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- March 22, 2016 at 9:42 pm
This is why we use photographs to watch for change. If the lesions are stable, there is no reason to biopsy. Yes, you could have them removed if you want to, but melanoma shows up on new lesions about 50% of the time. So removing existing moles is not the most effective. 90% of the melanoma population never have another melanoma primary – one is it. You get to decide on what makes YOU feel comfortable. Truthfully, I do the driving with my mel derm. I've had 3 primaries and I expect to be the one to find any new ones. My derm uses pics and I use my gut feel and own observation to determine if something has changed. If a lesion is stable, though, I don't biopsy. I don't have a ton of moles but the ones I do have we know would have atypical features if biopsied. Bottom line is – do what makes YOU comfortable. Not your derm, not anyone else. This is your call.
Shave versus excision…. shaves have the problem that they might not go deep enough. Staging can be compromised if a melanoma lesion is bisected. Full excisions are fine, but wide excisons have the possibility of removing too much tissue making a SNB, if needed later, suspect. The SNB relies on lymph drainage paths showing the correct path to the sentinel node. If you remove too much skin in the biopsy/excision, it is possible that the SNB could be compromised. New drainage paths may be formed based on removing the tissue. So it's a bit of a fine line with no absolute best choice. I often chose a punch biopsy because it was a full skin thickness biopsy. I wouldn't compromise on depth. But punches have the problem of not being overly big. 8mm may be the largest and larger lesion may not be fully removed via a punch. I personally do not allow shave biopsies – one for the reason I specified above, I might lose staging information if the shave was shallow and a melanoma deeper. But #2 is that I think shave hurt more and heal worse than any other type of biopsy. Your mileage may vary.
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- March 22, 2016 at 9:00 pm
Sorry, meant to also ask … what's next? It is it reasonable to just continue to shave these guys off and see what's in there? If I have, say, 10 moles that look somewhat suspicious, but have had 8 biopsied and only one was melanoma … does that mean anything? Does taking further diagnostic steps make any sense, or is that excessive at this point? The doctor did do an abdominal and lymph node palpation exam and said both felt normal.
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