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- January 15, 2017 at 5:17 pm
So I ended up with full scan on Thursday. Obviously our biggest concern was liver. Unfortunately we never received disk from MDA for comparison. Bottom line from oncologist looking at scan, there's about 50% healthy tissue remaining throughout liver. I saw images and it was disheartening. Just nodules spread throughout liver. On the other hand, some things got a bit smaller and some things bigger based on written report from 12/15 scan. LDH shot up to 2700 and 2 of the 3 LFT's were a bit higher. Not sure what to expect after 1 treatment. Anyway, she decided to move forward with 2nd treatment of Abraxene & Keytruda. I've been with my oncologist for close to 6 years, I know she's concerned. We decided to schedule a brain MRI for Monday. I'm scheduled to begin TIL Jan 31 and supposed to go MDA for screening next week. Now I'm a month out from gamma knife, I need stable brain MRI otherwise a PI override. I'm not wasting more money to travel if MDA won't do that. So I reached out to them to let them know that. The clinical trial "system" is crap. I feel like when I was healthy cancer patient then I'm a hot commodity but get sick and lose that "Olympic patient" status then forget it…not to mention all exclusions for pretreated patients. No wonder only about 5% of patients are selected for trials. Yeah I'm frustrated by all this BS. I feel decent the last couple of days but who knows how I will feel on Jan 31 when TIL would start IF I get in. Need this Abraxene and/or Keytruda to stop progression. Quite honestly, I'm sick of all of this. It's wearing hard on me and my family.
Josh
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Hey Josh,
First and foremost, we are happy, and relieved, to have you check-in. So many here are thinking of you daily and we understand it's hard sometimes to muster up the spirit to post. Glad the news was not all bad. The roller-coaster ride can be so difficult. One moment you are riding high, and the next holding on for dear life and trying not to puke. You have proven to be strong, and you will be ready for the next ride no matter how steep and sharp the turns. You are in to win it.
Gary
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- January 16, 2017 at 4:02 am
I second every last thing Gary just said. You have so many people praying for you Josh, dont give up. There’s always hope. One day at a time.Thanks for posting we are all very concerned for what you are going through. -
- January 16, 2017 at 4:02 am
I second every last thing Gary just said. You have so many people praying for you Josh, dont give up. There’s always hope. One day at a time.Thanks for posting we are all very concerned for what you are going through. -
- January 16, 2017 at 4:02 am
I second every last thing Gary just said. You have so many people praying for you Josh, dont give up. There’s always hope. One day at a time.Thanks for posting we are all very concerned for what you are going through.
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Hey Josh,
First and foremost, we are happy, and relieved, to have you check-in. So many here are thinking of you daily and we understand it's hard sometimes to muster up the spirit to post. Glad the news was not all bad. The roller-coaster ride can be so difficult. One moment you are riding high, and the next holding on for dear life and trying not to puke. You have proven to be strong, and you will be ready for the next ride no matter how steep and sharp the turns. You are in to win it.
Gary
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Hey Josh,
First and foremost, we are happy, and relieved, to have you check-in. So many here are thinking of you daily and we understand it's hard sometimes to muster up the spirit to post. Glad the news was not all bad. The roller-coaster ride can be so difficult. One moment you are riding high, and the next holding on for dear life and trying not to puke. You have proven to be strong, and you will be ready for the next ride no matter how steep and sharp the turns. You are in to win it.
Gary
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:27 pm
Dear Josh,
thank you so much for posting, we were all waiting to hear from you…
I think you had a good response, with only one dose, your LDH dropped from 10 000, right? That to me reads that something good is going on… Also, if the pain diminished, that too is good…
Will be hoping you get TIL, but would not write off keytruda just yet…
I won't say be brave and patient, this stuff is beyond scary, but trust that one treatment (why not keytruda) will work!!!!
Hugs and prayers for you and your family!
Love,
Patrisa
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:27 pm
Dear Josh,
thank you so much for posting, we were all waiting to hear from you…
I think you had a good response, with only one dose, your LDH dropped from 10 000, right? That to me reads that something good is going on… Also, if the pain diminished, that too is good…
Will be hoping you get TIL, but would not write off keytruda just yet…
I won't say be brave and patient, this stuff is beyond scary, but trust that one treatment (why not keytruda) will work!!!!
Hugs and prayers for you and your family!
Love,
Patrisa
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:27 pm
Dear Josh,
thank you so much for posting, we were all waiting to hear from you…
I think you had a good response, with only one dose, your LDH dropped from 10 000, right? That to me reads that something good is going on… Also, if the pain diminished, that too is good…
Will be hoping you get TIL, but would not write off keytruda just yet…
I won't say be brave and patient, this stuff is beyond scary, but trust that one treatment (why not keytruda) will work!!!!
Hugs and prayers for you and your family!
Love,
Patrisa
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:36 pm
Hey Josh,
I hear you loud and clear. Was pretty cut up when taken off Pembro v placebo stage 3 trial after delay in treatment whilst they diagnosed and treated infected scar from earlier surgeries on knee relpacement leg.
Thought I was on treatment due to rash and chills, first week , increasing joint pain, anemia loss of weight and appetite etc. It looked like this could then have screwed treatment with PD1 drug as had previously been given drugs- but unblinding had me on placebo arm – and think Docs were all a bit shocked..
Am now on ipi nivo trial looking at management of side effects by experienced team and feel that trial protocol may be wagging treatment dog…. Liver enzymes were raised Dec 12- so treatment on hold -roughly two weeks at50mg pred and on taper but if don't have treatment Mon 23/1 then off trial again and last Wed liver tests still not back to grade 1. Might get ipi nivo via UK NHS but England is messing with the approvals and saying only for population where drugs were trialled- so brain scan re headaches 21/1 to work out if hypophysitis- but if brain met then guess I need to stay on that trial ….and here I lose my driving licence for two years if a brain met found.
It feels frustrating enough to be dealing with disease and all the uncertainties that brings without being afraid that what feels like crazy restrictions may exclude me from what the docs think is in my best interests.
Ok- so liver is main concern- when they do resections they are prepared to leave only 30% to regenerate- so that does buy some time for the TIL or Abraxene Combo to work..
Lots of anecdotal stuff on things getting to work if patient feels better., so feeling decent last couple of days sounds good.Have a huge internet hug from the UK and will cross fingers and toes that all goes well for you, and everyone else dealing with tough times at the moment.
Best wishes
Deb
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:36 pm
Hey Josh,
I hear you loud and clear. Was pretty cut up when taken off Pembro v placebo stage 3 trial after delay in treatment whilst they diagnosed and treated infected scar from earlier surgeries on knee relpacement leg.
Thought I was on treatment due to rash and chills, first week , increasing joint pain, anemia loss of weight and appetite etc. It looked like this could then have screwed treatment with PD1 drug as had previously been given drugs- but unblinding had me on placebo arm – and think Docs were all a bit shocked..
Am now on ipi nivo trial looking at management of side effects by experienced team and feel that trial protocol may be wagging treatment dog…. Liver enzymes were raised Dec 12- so treatment on hold -roughly two weeks at50mg pred and on taper but if don't have treatment Mon 23/1 then off trial again and last Wed liver tests still not back to grade 1. Might get ipi nivo via UK NHS but England is messing with the approvals and saying only for population where drugs were trialled- so brain scan re headaches 21/1 to work out if hypophysitis- but if brain met then guess I need to stay on that trial ….and here I lose my driving licence for two years if a brain met found.
It feels frustrating enough to be dealing with disease and all the uncertainties that brings without being afraid that what feels like crazy restrictions may exclude me from what the docs think is in my best interests.
Ok- so liver is main concern- when they do resections they are prepared to leave only 30% to regenerate- so that does buy some time for the TIL or Abraxene Combo to work..
Lots of anecdotal stuff on things getting to work if patient feels better., so feeling decent last couple of days sounds good.Have a huge internet hug from the UK and will cross fingers and toes that all goes well for you, and everyone else dealing with tough times at the moment.
Best wishes
Deb
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:36 pm
Hey Josh,
I hear you loud and clear. Was pretty cut up when taken off Pembro v placebo stage 3 trial after delay in treatment whilst they diagnosed and treated infected scar from earlier surgeries on knee relpacement leg.
Thought I was on treatment due to rash and chills, first week , increasing joint pain, anemia loss of weight and appetite etc. It looked like this could then have screwed treatment with PD1 drug as had previously been given drugs- but unblinding had me on placebo arm – and think Docs were all a bit shocked..
Am now on ipi nivo trial looking at management of side effects by experienced team and feel that trial protocol may be wagging treatment dog…. Liver enzymes were raised Dec 12- so treatment on hold -roughly two weeks at50mg pred and on taper but if don't have treatment Mon 23/1 then off trial again and last Wed liver tests still not back to grade 1. Might get ipi nivo via UK NHS but England is messing with the approvals and saying only for population where drugs were trialled- so brain scan re headaches 21/1 to work out if hypophysitis- but if brain met then guess I need to stay on that trial ….and here I lose my driving licence for two years if a brain met found.
It feels frustrating enough to be dealing with disease and all the uncertainties that brings without being afraid that what feels like crazy restrictions may exclude me from what the docs think is in my best interests.
Ok- so liver is main concern- when they do resections they are prepared to leave only 30% to regenerate- so that does buy some time for the TIL or Abraxene Combo to work..
Lots of anecdotal stuff on things getting to work if patient feels better., so feeling decent last couple of days sounds good.Have a huge internet hug from the UK and will cross fingers and toes that all goes well for you, and everyone else dealing with tough times at the moment.
Best wishes
Deb
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm
Hey Joshie,
Have been and will continue to hold you and yours in my heart daily. Take what positive energy you can from the good parts of your scans and from each of us. Hang in there. You are much loved. I understand every ounce of frustration you have with the current treatment and trial system. Many of us are working hard to fix it….though I know that is small consolation and our chance of success is less than small. But…if it matters…you are an inspiration…and there are many of us who will not stop screaming as long as we have breath.
Just to show you part of what I mean…I wrote this: (Seriously, you don't have to read the longwinded mess….others may want to…just wanted you to know it was there….) http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-trial-of-trials.html
You are precious my friend. Fingers remain crossed for you and yours. Love, c
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm
Hey Joshie,
Have been and will continue to hold you and yours in my heart daily. Take what positive energy you can from the good parts of your scans and from each of us. Hang in there. You are much loved. I understand every ounce of frustration you have with the current treatment and trial system. Many of us are working hard to fix it….though I know that is small consolation and our chance of success is less than small. But…if it matters…you are an inspiration…and there are many of us who will not stop screaming as long as we have breath.
Just to show you part of what I mean…I wrote this: (Seriously, you don't have to read the longwinded mess….others may want to…just wanted you to know it was there….) http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-trial-of-trials.html
You are precious my friend. Fingers remain crossed for you and yours. Love, c
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- January 15, 2017 at 6:48 pm
Hey Joshie,
Have been and will continue to hold you and yours in my heart daily. Take what positive energy you can from the good parts of your scans and from each of us. Hang in there. You are much loved. I understand every ounce of frustration you have with the current treatment and trial system. Many of us are working hard to fix it….though I know that is small consolation and our chance of success is less than small. But…if it matters…you are an inspiration…and there are many of us who will not stop screaming as long as we have breath.
Just to show you part of what I mean…I wrote this: (Seriously, you don't have to read the longwinded mess….others may want to…just wanted you to know it was there….) http://chaoticallypreciselifeloveandmelanoma.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-trial-of-trials.html
You are precious my friend. Fingers remain crossed for you and yours. Love, c
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- January 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm
So happy to see your post up on the board this morning. It seems like a lot on here are having such miserable complicatons right now. I was in the ER with my Dad unitl 2 am. We thought he had a cold, but it started getting worse and worse. Turns out that he has the Flu, he is so miserable. Blood shows platelets are even lower than a few days ago, so doesn't look like he will be able to start back on his infusions for a bit, which is disheartening.
Like others have brought out, it does sound like not all is negative in your report. I can only imagine your frustration with "the system". I think of your daily and am always holding you close in my thoughts. Hang in there my cyber friend, we are all rooting for you big time!!!!
xo Jen
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- January 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm
So happy to see your post up on the board this morning. It seems like a lot on here are having such miserable complicatons right now. I was in the ER with my Dad unitl 2 am. We thought he had a cold, but it started getting worse and worse. Turns out that he has the Flu, he is so miserable. Blood shows platelets are even lower than a few days ago, so doesn't look like he will be able to start back on his infusions for a bit, which is disheartening.
Like others have brought out, it does sound like not all is negative in your report. I can only imagine your frustration with "the system". I think of your daily and am always holding you close in my thoughts. Hang in there my cyber friend, we are all rooting for you big time!!!!
xo Jen
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- January 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm
So happy to see your post up on the board this morning. It seems like a lot on here are having such miserable complicatons right now. I was in the ER with my Dad unitl 2 am. We thought he had a cold, but it started getting worse and worse. Turns out that he has the Flu, he is so miserable. Blood shows platelets are even lower than a few days ago, so doesn't look like he will be able to start back on his infusions for a bit, which is disheartening.
Like others have brought out, it does sound like not all is negative in your report. I can only imagine your frustration with "the system". I think of your daily and am always holding you close in my thoughts. Hang in there my cyber friend, we are all rooting for you big time!!!!
xo Jen
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- January 15, 2017 at 8:29 pm
Damn Josh. What a meat grinder. I know you still have to reach stability with your brain mets, but you are so close to the TIL! 16 more days. There is a high in this roller coaster ride coming your way. You will be looking back at this later my friend. This may just sound like more words, but I believe we are both going to win our respective battles.
– Paul
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- January 15, 2017 at 8:29 pm
Damn Josh. What a meat grinder. I know you still have to reach stability with your brain mets, but you are so close to the TIL! 16 more days. There is a high in this roller coaster ride coming your way. You will be looking back at this later my friend. This may just sound like more words, but I believe we are both going to win our respective battles.
– Paul
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- January 15, 2017 at 8:29 pm
Damn Josh. What a meat grinder. I know you still have to reach stability with your brain mets, but you are so close to the TIL! 16 more days. There is a high in this roller coaster ride coming your way. You will be looking back at this later my friend. This may just sound like more words, but I believe we are both going to win our respective battles.
– Paul
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- January 15, 2017 at 11:09 pm
Josh,
PLEASE read this and respond. I've mentioned this in a few posts, but don't know if you have talked to someone about it.
I am cheering you on. Don't give up. And get a second opinion on the SBRT.
What about Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival Body Radiotherapy (SBRT)
Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) for liver cancer? Approximately 80 liver tumor patients are treated annually at the University of Michigan using stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), a treatment with the ability to focus a high dose of radiation, delivered with high precision, to a tumor while sparing the healthy tissues nearby. Sometimes called 'radiosurgery' or 'CyberKnife' (a brand of equipment), it is a non-invasive therapy, rather than a type of surgery. The University of Michigan Health System is the premier location in North America for delivering radiation treatments for liver cancer.
—- The above is just a description. I don't know where the BEST SBRT Liver radiation oncologist is. You need to find that person.
…The 1-year Local Control was 77%, with a mOS of 18 months (95% CI = 14–21) and mPFS of 4 months (95% CI = 3–8). For colorectal patients 1-yr LC was 60%, with a mOS of 18 mo (95% CI = 13–32).
Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival
Median local recurrence-free interval was 23 months with a local control rate of 74.7%, 48.3% and 48.3% after 1, 2 and 3 years. Only minimum biologically effective dose (BED) to gross tumor volume (GTV) remained as independent significant factor for local control in multivariate analysis. No local recurrences were observed in lesions (n = 12) which received a minimal BED to the GTV of 120 Gy. Including 26 local recurrences, 67 patients (91%) showed disease progression after SBRT with a median time of 5 months. Median overall survival was 27 months with survival rates of 77%, 30% and 27% at 1, 3 and 5 years. On multivariate analysis only GTV volume remained as independent significant prognostic factor for overall survival (p = 0.002). No grade 3 to 5 acute toxicity and no grade 4 or 5 late toxicity occurred.
Stereotactic body radiation therapy for liver metastases
The best candidates for SBRT are oligometastatic patients with a good performance status (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group 0-1 or Karfnosky >70), controlled or absent extra-hepatic disease, number of hepatic lesions ≤3, size lesions ≤3 cm, lesion distance from organs at risk (OARs) >8 mm, good liver function (Childs A) and healthy liver volume >1,000 cc. In patients with 4 liver metastases, diameter ranging from 3 to 6 cm, OARs distance between 5 and 8 mm, moderate liver function (Child B) and healthy liver volume ranging from 700 to 1,000 cc, the use of SBRT must be evaluated with caution. Patients with ≥5 hepatic lesions, diameter greater than 6 cm, OARs distance less than 5 mm, inadequate liver function (Child C) and healthy live< volume <700 cc, are unsuitable for SBRT.
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- January 15, 2017 at 11:09 pm
Josh,
PLEASE read this and respond. I've mentioned this in a few posts, but don't know if you have talked to someone about it.
I am cheering you on. Don't give up. And get a second opinion on the SBRT.
What about Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival Body Radiotherapy (SBRT)
Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) for liver cancer? Approximately 80 liver tumor patients are treated annually at the University of Michigan using stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), a treatment with the ability to focus a high dose of radiation, delivered with high precision, to a tumor while sparing the healthy tissues nearby. Sometimes called 'radiosurgery' or 'CyberKnife' (a brand of equipment), it is a non-invasive therapy, rather than a type of surgery. The University of Michigan Health System is the premier location in North America for delivering radiation treatments for liver cancer.
—- The above is just a description. I don't know where the BEST SBRT Liver radiation oncologist is. You need to find that person.
…The 1-year Local Control was 77%, with a mOS of 18 months (95% CI = 14–21) and mPFS of 4 months (95% CI = 3–8). For colorectal patients 1-yr LC was 60%, with a mOS of 18 mo (95% CI = 13–32).
Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival
Median local recurrence-free interval was 23 months with a local control rate of 74.7%, 48.3% and 48.3% after 1, 2 and 3 years. Only minimum biologically effective dose (BED) to gross tumor volume (GTV) remained as independent significant factor for local control in multivariate analysis. No local recurrences were observed in lesions (n = 12) which received a minimal BED to the GTV of 120 Gy. Including 26 local recurrences, 67 patients (91%) showed disease progression after SBRT with a median time of 5 months. Median overall survival was 27 months with survival rates of 77%, 30% and 27% at 1, 3 and 5 years. On multivariate analysis only GTV volume remained as independent significant prognostic factor for overall survival (p = 0.002). No grade 3 to 5 acute toxicity and no grade 4 or 5 late toxicity occurred.
Stereotactic body radiation therapy for liver metastases
The best candidates for SBRT are oligometastatic patients with a good performance status (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group 0-1 or Karfnosky >70), controlled or absent extra-hepatic disease, number of hepatic lesions ≤3, size lesions ≤3 cm, lesion distance from organs at risk (OARs) >8 mm, good liver function (Childs A) and healthy liver volume >1,000 cc. In patients with 4 liver metastases, diameter ranging from 3 to 6 cm, OARs distance between 5 and 8 mm, moderate liver function (Child B) and healthy liver volume ranging from 700 to 1,000 cc, the use of SBRT must be evaluated with caution. Patients with ≥5 hepatic lesions, diameter greater than 6 cm, OARs distance less than 5 mm, inadequate liver function (Child C) and healthy live< volume <700 cc, are unsuitable for SBRT.
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- January 15, 2017 at 11:09 pm
Josh,
PLEASE read this and respond. I've mentioned this in a few posts, but don't know if you have talked to someone about it.
I am cheering you on. Don't give up. And get a second opinion on the SBRT.
What about Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival Body Radiotherapy (SBRT)
Stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT) for liver cancer? Approximately 80 liver tumor patients are treated annually at the University of Michigan using stereotactic body radiotherapy (SBRT), a treatment with the ability to focus a high dose of radiation, delivered with high precision, to a tumor while sparing the healthy tissues nearby. Sometimes called 'radiosurgery' or 'CyberKnife' (a brand of equipment), it is a non-invasive therapy, rather than a type of surgery. The University of Michigan Health System is the premier location in North America for delivering radiation treatments for liver cancer.
—- The above is just a description. I don't know where the BEST SBRT Liver radiation oncologist is. You need to find that person.
…The 1-year Local Control was 77%, with a mOS of 18 months (95% CI = 14–21) and mPFS of 4 months (95% CI = 3–8). For colorectal patients 1-yr LC was 60%, with a mOS of 18 mo (95% CI = 13–32).
Stereotactic radiation therapy for liver metastases: factors affecting local control and survival
Median local recurrence-free interval was 23 months with a local control rate of 74.7%, 48.3% and 48.3% after 1, 2 and 3 years. Only minimum biologically effective dose (BED) to gross tumor volume (GTV) remained as independent significant factor for local control in multivariate analysis. No local recurrences were observed in lesions (n = 12) which received a minimal BED to the GTV of 120 Gy. Including 26 local recurrences, 67 patients (91%) showed disease progression after SBRT with a median time of 5 months. Median overall survival was 27 months with survival rates of 77%, 30% and 27% at 1, 3 and 5 years. On multivariate analysis only GTV volume remained as independent significant prognostic factor for overall survival (p = 0.002). No grade 3 to 5 acute toxicity and no grade 4 or 5 late toxicity occurred.
Stereotactic body radiation therapy for liver metastases
The best candidates for SBRT are oligometastatic patients with a good performance status (Eastern Cooperative Oncology Group 0-1 or Karfnosky >70), controlled or absent extra-hepatic disease, number of hepatic lesions ≤3, size lesions ≤3 cm, lesion distance from organs at risk (OARs) >8 mm, good liver function (Childs A) and healthy liver volume >1,000 cc. In patients with 4 liver metastases, diameter ranging from 3 to 6 cm, OARs distance between 5 and 8 mm, moderate liver function (Child B) and healthy liver volume ranging from 700 to 1,000 cc, the use of SBRT must be evaluated with caution. Patients with ≥5 hepatic lesions, diameter greater than 6 cm, OARs distance less than 5 mm, inadequate liver function (Child C) and healthy live< volume <700 cc, are unsuitable for SBRT.
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- January 16, 2017 at 12:36 am
Josh, thanks for letting us know how things are going. I can hear the frustration in your words, and I'm so sorry that there always seems to be unhappy news along with the good. We're all here, being prayer warriors and/or cheerleaders for you. Just stay positive and do this one day at a time.
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- January 16, 2017 at 12:36 am
Josh, thanks for letting us know how things are going. I can hear the frustration in your words, and I'm so sorry that there always seems to be unhappy news along with the good. We're all here, being prayer warriors and/or cheerleaders for you. Just stay positive and do this one day at a time.
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- January 16, 2017 at 12:36 am
Josh, thanks for letting us know how things are going. I can hear the frustration in your words, and I'm so sorry that there always seems to be unhappy news along with the good. We're all here, being prayer warriors and/or cheerleaders for you. Just stay positive and do this one day at a time.
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- January 16, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Hi Josh,
Firstly, that LDH has come down, so something good has happened.
Hope you can read this. In July, Juan was also at about 50% good liver left. Numerous mets and some very large ones. He had Y-90 spheres radioembolization done by Dr Mahvesh at MDA in August and second lobe 6 weeks later in September.
Scans this week showed continued shrinkage in liver with liver enzymes and LDH all in line now. We were unfortunately focussed on discussing the latest LMD diagnosis, brain and bone progression from MRI's and I have not seen a copy yet of the scan to see extent of liver shrinkage but I had a message that Dr Mahvesh was pleased. I also heard more melanoma patients are starting to get this liver treatment as it is seems to be working well. Dr Mahvesh had previously told us it takes a year for the complete effects.
i have no idea if you could do this and still be able to do TIL afterwards with maybe a 3 month delay. You could keep going with Keytruda through it. It may position your TIL to have the best chance possible to work. We did all this after TIL and the issue with our TIL was not enough T-cells harvested.
i think what I am saying is if the other disease can be controlled for now and your biggest issue is the liver then this may be a solution to harness in the liver a bit and then get on with the systematic solution,
After being in a dire situation with Juan's liver, the ironic thing is we do seem to have got that sorted but now face an even more difficult situation.
So there is HOPE. You can get through this.
Thinking of you and your family.
Maria
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- January 17, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Hi Maria,
Have been following your difficult journey. Thank you for posting this re liver treatment. Had seen some info on trials for this especially for occular melanoma – but a personal report of a good outcome always seems more real. Hope you can get similar good results for the spinal and other problems. Read the post about the MRIs various but struggled to know what to say.
Thank you for sharing and best of wishes to you and your family,
Deb
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- January 17, 2017 at 10:57 pm
Thanks, Deb.
we have an appointment wirb Dr Glitza at MDA tomorrow so at least they have sorted that quickly. Then we can see what options there are to treat this LMD. Also doing an embolizatiom next week of the large rib tumour which is causing all the pain, idea is to cut off blood supply to the tumour so that he may get some relief and be able to lie still for some sterotaic radiation.
Once I know our plan (hope we get one) then I shall post.
Meantime, lots of prayers and hugs for Josh, Paul, you, Snowwhite's Dad, Adriana, and everyone else who is facing a very challenging situation right now.
Maria
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- January 17, 2017 at 10:57 pm
Thanks, Deb.
we have an appointment wirb Dr Glitza at MDA tomorrow so at least they have sorted that quickly. Then we can see what options there are to treat this LMD. Also doing an embolizatiom next week of the large rib tumour which is causing all the pain, idea is to cut off blood supply to the tumour so that he may get some relief and be able to lie still for some sterotaic radiation.
Once I know our plan (hope we get one) then I shall post.
Meantime, lots of prayers and hugs for Josh, Paul, you, Snowwhite's Dad, Adriana, and everyone else who is facing a very challenging situation right now.
Maria
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- January 17, 2017 at 10:57 pm
Thanks, Deb.
we have an appointment wirb Dr Glitza at MDA tomorrow so at least they have sorted that quickly. Then we can see what options there are to treat this LMD. Also doing an embolizatiom next week of the large rib tumour which is causing all the pain, idea is to cut off blood supply to the tumour so that he may get some relief and be able to lie still for some sterotaic radiation.
Once I know our plan (hope we get one) then I shall post.
Meantime, lots of prayers and hugs for Josh, Paul, you, Snowwhite's Dad, Adriana, and everyone else who is facing a very challenging situation right now.
Maria
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- January 17, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Hi Maria,
Have been following your difficult journey. Thank you for posting this re liver treatment. Had seen some info on trials for this especially for occular melanoma – but a personal report of a good outcome always seems more real. Hope you can get similar good results for the spinal and other problems. Read the post about the MRIs various but struggled to know what to say.
Thank you for sharing and best of wishes to you and your family,
Deb
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- January 17, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Hi Maria,
Have been following your difficult journey. Thank you for posting this re liver treatment. Had seen some info on trials for this especially for occular melanoma – but a personal report of a good outcome always seems more real. Hope you can get similar good results for the spinal and other problems. Read the post about the MRIs various but struggled to know what to say.
Thank you for sharing and best of wishes to you and your family,
Deb
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- January 16, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Hi Josh,
Firstly, that LDH has come down, so something good has happened.
Hope you can read this. In July, Juan was also at about 50% good liver left. Numerous mets and some very large ones. He had Y-90 spheres radioembolization done by Dr Mahvesh at MDA in August and second lobe 6 weeks later in September.
Scans this week showed continued shrinkage in liver with liver enzymes and LDH all in line now. We were unfortunately focussed on discussing the latest LMD diagnosis, brain and bone progression from MRI's and I have not seen a copy yet of the scan to see extent of liver shrinkage but I had a message that Dr Mahvesh was pleased. I also heard more melanoma patients are starting to get this liver treatment as it is seems to be working well. Dr Mahvesh had previously told us it takes a year for the complete effects.
i have no idea if you could do this and still be able to do TIL afterwards with maybe a 3 month delay. You could keep going with Keytruda through it. It may position your TIL to have the best chance possible to work. We did all this after TIL and the issue with our TIL was not enough T-cells harvested.
i think what I am saying is if the other disease can be controlled for now and your biggest issue is the liver then this may be a solution to harness in the liver a bit and then get on with the systematic solution,
After being in a dire situation with Juan's liver, the ironic thing is we do seem to have got that sorted but now face an even more difficult situation.
So there is HOPE. You can get through this.
Thinking of you and your family.
Maria
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- January 16, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Hi Josh,
Firstly, that LDH has come down, so something good has happened.
Hope you can read this. In July, Juan was also at about 50% good liver left. Numerous mets and some very large ones. He had Y-90 spheres radioembolization done by Dr Mahvesh at MDA in August and second lobe 6 weeks later in September.
Scans this week showed continued shrinkage in liver with liver enzymes and LDH all in line now. We were unfortunately focussed on discussing the latest LMD diagnosis, brain and bone progression from MRI's and I have not seen a copy yet of the scan to see extent of liver shrinkage but I had a message that Dr Mahvesh was pleased. I also heard more melanoma patients are starting to get this liver treatment as it is seems to be working well. Dr Mahvesh had previously told us it takes a year for the complete effects.
i have no idea if you could do this and still be able to do TIL afterwards with maybe a 3 month delay. You could keep going with Keytruda through it. It may position your TIL to have the best chance possible to work. We did all this after TIL and the issue with our TIL was not enough T-cells harvested.
i think what I am saying is if the other disease can be controlled for now and your biggest issue is the liver then this may be a solution to harness in the liver a bit and then get on with the systematic solution,
After being in a dire situation with Juan's liver, the ironic thing is we do seem to have got that sorted but now face an even more difficult situation.
So there is HOPE. You can get through this.
Thinking of you and your family.
Maria
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- January 16, 2017 at 2:43 pm
Hey Josh-
As everyone else has said, I was SOOOO happy to see your post….I had been checking since thursday.
Now I am hoping that all goes well and you can start TIL on the 31st with no other bumps in the road between now and then.
Tough road for sure, and your frustration with the system is understandable……but for now justhoping TIL will happen and is YOUR magic bullet.
Sending good thoughts, and lots of hope!!
best,
jenny
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- January 16, 2017 at 2:43 pm
Hey Josh-
As everyone else has said, I was SOOOO happy to see your post….I had been checking since thursday.
Now I am hoping that all goes well and you can start TIL on the 31st with no other bumps in the road between now and then.
Tough road for sure, and your frustration with the system is understandable……but for now justhoping TIL will happen and is YOUR magic bullet.
Sending good thoughts, and lots of hope!!
best,
jenny
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- January 16, 2017 at 4:41 pm
Hey josh,
It is great to hear an update from you regardless of anything else! I totally get what you are saying about the Clinical Trial system (as someone who spent the last year reading a lot of George Carlin, i can say that these large systems are just that, large usually corrupt systems that don't think about the individual). Also, i don't think it's negative if it's true! I just don't understand, why they can't have a system of compassionate use and keep that data separate out of their research datasets. As a researcher, I understand their need for "clean data" and vigorous science in whatever that looks like (and they don't want to confound things, etc), but they could have two pools of data, one a research pool with patients that have whatever parameters they need and one a compassionate use pool that isn't used for anything other than giving any patient the best shot possible if they want to roll the dice. I'm sure money plays a role in all of this as well.
Sorry for the negativity, just wanted to let you know i think it's ok for you to rail against the system and maintain hope at the same time, we don't live in vacuum that's for sure!
I'm just glad to hear any updates and will keep you in my positive thoughts daily.
As always, let us know if you or family need anything at all.
cheers,
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- January 16, 2017 at 4:41 pm
Hey josh,
It is great to hear an update from you regardless of anything else! I totally get what you are saying about the Clinical Trial system (as someone who spent the last year reading a lot of George Carlin, i can say that these large systems are just that, large usually corrupt systems that don't think about the individual). Also, i don't think it's negative if it's true! I just don't understand, why they can't have a system of compassionate use and keep that data separate out of their research datasets. As a researcher, I understand their need for "clean data" and vigorous science in whatever that looks like (and they don't want to confound things, etc), but they could have two pools of data, one a research pool with patients that have whatever parameters they need and one a compassionate use pool that isn't used for anything other than giving any patient the best shot possible if they want to roll the dice. I'm sure money plays a role in all of this as well.
Sorry for the negativity, just wanted to let you know i think it's ok for you to rail against the system and maintain hope at the same time, we don't live in vacuum that's for sure!
I'm just glad to hear any updates and will keep you in my positive thoughts daily.
As always, let us know if you or family need anything at all.
cheers,
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- January 16, 2017 at 4:41 pm
Hey josh,
It is great to hear an update from you regardless of anything else! I totally get what you are saying about the Clinical Trial system (as someone who spent the last year reading a lot of George Carlin, i can say that these large systems are just that, large usually corrupt systems that don't think about the individual). Also, i don't think it's negative if it's true! I just don't understand, why they can't have a system of compassionate use and keep that data separate out of their research datasets. As a researcher, I understand their need for "clean data" and vigorous science in whatever that looks like (and they don't want to confound things, etc), but they could have two pools of data, one a research pool with patients that have whatever parameters they need and one a compassionate use pool that isn't used for anything other than giving any patient the best shot possible if they want to roll the dice. I'm sure money plays a role in all of this as well.
Sorry for the negativity, just wanted to let you know i think it's ok for you to rail against the system and maintain hope at the same time, we don't live in vacuum that's for sure!
I'm just glad to hear any updates and will keep you in my positive thoughts daily.
As always, let us know if you or family need anything at all.
cheers,
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- January 16, 2017 at 2:43 pm
Hey Josh-
As everyone else has said, I was SOOOO happy to see your post….I had been checking since thursday.
Now I am hoping that all goes well and you can start TIL on the 31st with no other bumps in the road between now and then.
Tough road for sure, and your frustration with the system is understandable……but for now justhoping TIL will happen and is YOUR magic bullet.
Sending good thoughts, and lots of hope!!
best,
jenny
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- January 17, 2017 at 4:23 pm
Josh, it sounds like you have a plan. Not to jump on the latest post, but consider making an appt with Hamid for a few weeks out as a second option. You can always cancel the appt. it is so refreshing to hear of an onc willing to work with advanced patients. It reminds me of two visits I had in NY last January. Both were with well known melanoma rock stars. One left me with a plan and a hopeful feeling (he turned out to be correct, at least for the moment) and the other offered no plan or hope. Hamid is obviously in the former category. Keep fighting and planning, and rest when you need to.
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- January 17, 2017 at 9:02 pm
Hi Mat- you are so right….and i'm happy to hear the postive one, appears to have been right…BUT, I am curious, who you saw in NY….both the good and the "less then good"….If you're comfortable posting that I'd d be very curious.
And josh- you know we are all rooting for you…maybe another opinion with a seemingly very positive guy may be good for you if you're up to more travel…i know thats the tough part!!!!!
For now,Im hoping you will start TIl on the 31st.
best,
jenny
Best,
jenny
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- January 17, 2017 at 9:02 pm
Hi Mat- you are so right….and i'm happy to hear the postive one, appears to have been right…BUT, I am curious, who you saw in NY….both the good and the "less then good"….If you're comfortable posting that I'd d be very curious.
And josh- you know we are all rooting for you…maybe another opinion with a seemingly very positive guy may be good for you if you're up to more travel…i know thats the tough part!!!!!
For now,Im hoping you will start TIl on the 31st.
best,
jenny
Best,
jenny
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- January 17, 2017 at 9:02 pm
Hi Mat- you are so right….and i'm happy to hear the postive one, appears to have been right…BUT, I am curious, who you saw in NY….both the good and the "less then good"….If you're comfortable posting that I'd d be very curious.
And josh- you know we are all rooting for you…maybe another opinion with a seemingly very positive guy may be good for you if you're up to more travel…i know thats the tough part!!!!!
For now,Im hoping you will start TIl on the 31st.
best,
jenny
Best,
jenny
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- January 17, 2017 at 4:23 pm
Josh, it sounds like you have a plan. Not to jump on the latest post, but consider making an appt with Hamid for a few weeks out as a second option. You can always cancel the appt. it is so refreshing to hear of an onc willing to work with advanced patients. It reminds me of two visits I had in NY last January. Both were with well known melanoma rock stars. One left me with a plan and a hopeful feeling (he turned out to be correct, at least for the moment) and the other offered no plan or hope. Hamid is obviously in the former category. Keep fighting and planning, and rest when you need to.
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- January 17, 2017 at 4:23 pm
Josh, it sounds like you have a plan. Not to jump on the latest post, but consider making an appt with Hamid for a few weeks out as a second option. You can always cancel the appt. it is so refreshing to hear of an onc willing to work with advanced patients. It reminds me of two visits I had in NY last January. Both were with well known melanoma rock stars. One left me with a plan and a hopeful feeling (he turned out to be correct, at least for the moment) and the other offered no plan or hope. Hamid is obviously in the former category. Keep fighting and planning, and rest when you need to.
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