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Stage 3b Unknown Primary

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    Nini
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      My sister had a neck lump biopsied in late June. It was diagnosed as Stage 3 Melanoma with unknown primary source. She had a complete neck dissection on July 25, 2018. During the surgery the Doctor needed to cut the spinal accessory nerve to the trapazoid (abnormal cells were growing on the nerve). All pathology from that surgery was negative, and they now say she is NED. She had her first appointment with the oncologist today. He basically said there was no evidence that current immunotherapy PREVENTS recurrence. He gave her a choice of careful watching or moving forward with the immunotherapy. She will be going back in two weeks to give her decision. There was NO PRIMARY SOURCE ever found. Does anyone have experience with a situation such as this? Any thoughts or advice would be deeply appreciated. Thank you!

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        Linny
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          I am Stage III B with an unknown primary. I had a complete lymph node dissection in my left arm pit. I was diagnosed in 2010. Is your sister seeing a melanoma specialist? Unknown primaries affect about 10% of us, so it's not a very high number. You absoutely want to be seen by someone with a LOT of experience in treating melanoma. Not sure where your sister lives, but it would be worth her while to see someone at a melanoma center at a place such as Johns Hopkins, Sloane Kettering, Abramson Cancer Center, Dana Farber, etc., for an opinion.

          Treatment options have changed a LOT since I was diagnosed. There actually are some good options for those at Stage III. I believe that Opdivo and Keytruda are offered now for Stage III melanoma. They are worth asking about because there have been studies done that would seem to indicate that they do prevent recurrence. So, I was a bit puzzled at the comment that was made to your sister. Also worth asking any doctor is whether there is a clinical trial available for Stage III resected melanoma. 

          The theory with unknown primaries is that the melanoma did start out on the skin but the immune system attacked it and eliminated it on the skin but some cells managed to escape and made their way to a lymph node. There are studies than indicate folks with unknown primaries have an edge over those with known primaries because the immune system was able to recognize the cancer cells and attack them. So, having the immune system as an ally is a very good thing. 

           

            Nini
            Participant

              Linny,

               

              Thank you so much for your reply.  My sister is going to the University of Michigan Cancer Center.  I thought it was interesting that he wasn't encouraging immunotherapy to prevent recurrence as well.  And I will certainly as him about clinical trails available for Stage III resected melanoma.  Opdivo and Keytruda ere the drugs he suggested if she decided to go forward in that direction.

              I hope you are doing well.  Again…thank you so much for your help.  

            MovingOn
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              Sorry to hear about the auxiliary nerve being cut. I had a very similar surgery 2 years ago and I can raise my arm but only if I angle it a certain way (move hand to center of stomach before raising). My shoulder and that side of my neck don’t have any feeling/sensation but that isn’t a problem.

              My initial surgery was also a neck dissection, also for an unknown primary (my swollen lymph node was in the cervical group within the neck). Afterward I switched Care to a larger (more experienced) cancer center. Please don’t take offense to this but it sounds like your sister is not a patient at a certified (melanoma experienced) cancer center (for example, neck dissections are not typically performed any longer. Also, immunotherapies are usually encouraged because they have improved a lot in only the past 12 months). Please consider asking you sister to get a 2nd opinion at research university’s medical center (there should be one within at most 2 hours drive from anywhere in the continental US).

                Nini
                Participant

                  I am so shocked to hear your reply regarding the neck dissection.  I had no idea they not typically performed any longer.  In Michigan, we consider the U of M one of the finest Cancer Centers in the US…so I am alarmed that her surgeon and oncologist may not be "up" on the latest research.  This is all so frightening and it is hard to hear that we may not be getting the best of care.  Thank you so much for responding!

                Sissi
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                  If I may chime in, I am stage 3 and my doctors choose not to resect my lymph nodes (in groin) straight away and put me on targeted therapy first so that the tumor will reduce in size. After a month, it has already started to do so.

                  My oncologist is now thinking about switching me to immunotherapy before any lymph node dissection is performed. He says it is my best chance at being eventually cured and preventing recurrences. I'm from Canada and if I get the surgery, then immunotherapy as adjuvant treatment (outside a clinical trial) is not an option anymore.

                  Of course the choice will be mine in the end, as it will be for your sister. For myself, being 39, watch and wait is simply not an option.

                    Nini
                    Participant

                      Thank you so much for the information, Sissi.  There is so much for us to learn, and obviously we need to do more of our own research and also explore other doctors/cancer centers.  I agree, the watch and wait option is too frightening.  Take good care….

                      Mark_DC
                      Participant

                        I too would get a second opinion as I believe there is evidence that immunotherapy works as adjuvant for stage iii after resection – thats why nivo was approved for this last year. I think watch and wait is an option, though not one that i took. What puzzles me is the flat our denial of the oncologist – i dont think that can be correct – so she may need a second opinion or maybe the oncologist was not clear (or your sister stressed, as i was when starting off with this and seeing oncologists straight after surgery)

                        second opinions are good anyway particularly when starting out

                        i would go for immunotherapy and maybe a trial might be available

                        and make sure to see a melanoma specialist

                        good luck mark

                        Sissi
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                          All the best to you and your sister. A diagnostic is overwhelming at first but I can say from experience that it does get better with time.

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